College Applicant Acceptance Rate

Old Navy BGO said:
At the risk of bilging your BGO, there really is no way for a BGO to know if you were "extremely close" to appointment unless they were a fly on the wall while Noms and Appointments made their decisions. If you didn't get a TWE until late in the game, its an indicator that you were competitive. However, keep in mind that each year brings a new group of competitors ...which can be good or bad.

I can tell OP is looking for someone to tell him that his chances are better this year...and to some degree they are if he has demonstrated performance in college level course (with STEM emphasis), and perseverance gives some boost. However, Admission to USNA is not about odds, its about USNA admitting the best qualified applicants they can get (of course subject to the constraints they have to work under (i.e. Nominations ).
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Isn’t there a WCS that was the lowest admitted candidate, a cutoff score so to speak? Wouldn’t the BGO be aware of what that WCS was, at least the State Coordinator of BGO’s would know?
 
Roadking said:
Isn’t there a WCS that was the lowest admitted candidate, a cutoff score so to speak? Wouldn’t the BGO be aware of what that WCS was, at least the State Coordinator of BGO’s would know?
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No....first BGO have no idea what a particular candidates WCS is. There is probably a minimum WCS for being Admissions Board qualified (i.e. Q), but the minimum Q isn't going to get someone in on a competitive slate.
 
The Whole Person Multiple (WPM) is a number generated on tangible admission inputs (i.e. SAT/ACT scores, ECAs/sports, CFA, etc.). It is SIMPLY a calculation - it doesn't factor intangible inputs (i.e. specific comments in teacher recommendations/BGO interview, non-quantifiable college ECAs, etc.) until it reaches the Admissions Board. The Admissions Board can (and does) adjust the WPM in both directions to try to make it more "accurate." However, as you can imagine in certain instances, it can be difficult to compare candidates strictly on the WPM, which why it is an "entering argument" and not an "end all-be all." When slates are reviewed the WPM is considered, but if it could be a close call, there could be a quick scrub of the record for a final decision NOT strictly based on WPM.

The Admissions Board also votes on their Q by majority - independent on WPM. I don't know of a WPM value that would say someone is completely disqualified, however, the WPM is likely to be reflective of the record -- in other words a pretty poor record, most likely, also has a lower WPM and vice versa (as OldNavyBGO implied).

The take away: WPM is not always THE deciding factor and once the record is submitted, it is mostly out of the candidate's control, so no use on worrying/figuring out how it works, because it can be changed.
 
Roadking said:
Isn’t there a WCS that was the lowest admitted candidate, a cutoff score so to speak? Wouldn’t the BGO be aware of what that WCS was, at least the State Coordinator of BGO’s would know?
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The "State Coordinator of BGOs" is not actually a full state in many cases and is called the Area Coordinator. Many states have more than one area, even small states can have more than one.
Area Coordinators do not have the WPMs provided to them either.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
At the risk of bilging your BGO, there really is no way for a BGO to know if you were "extremely close" to appointment unless they were a fly on the wall while Noms and Appointments made their decisions. If you didn't get a TWE until late in the game, its an indicator that you were competitive. However, keep in mind that each year brings a new group of competitors ...which can be good or bad.

I can tell OP is looking for someone to tell him that his chances are better this year...and to some degree they are if he has demonstrated performance in college level course (with STEM emphasis), and perseverance gives some boost. However, Admission to USNA is not about odds, its about USNA admitting the best qualified applicants they can get (of course subject to the constraints they have to work under (i.e. Nominations ).
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I want a practical answer; however, I would be lying if I told you an answer to that degree would not be relieving.
 
usnabgo08 is correct, the WPM (not WCS) is the metric that used, and it is an entering argument, not a final score. even after + or - adjustments (RABs) are made for subjective values, the WPM is still not considered a "final score". there is no minimum score to be designated 'qualified' by the board. If it were, there would be no reason for the admissions board to brief each record, discuss it, then vote, which is what they do.

in fact, when looking at two different candidates that are close to the margin, it's possible the candidate with a higher WPM could be found "not qualified" while a candidate with a lower WPM could be found "qualified".

regarding OPs questions about re-applicants, the overall acceptance rate for re-apps isn't really meaningful because they aren't really competing against each other. however, it it fair to say that re-applicants have an advantage when completing against HS students who are on the same MOC slate. WPS is also used as a tiebreaker (but not the only factor) in slate reviews and is used in ranking the national list.

the biggest advantage is that the college candidates can show demonstrated performance in Plebe like classes which is weighted heavily. it won't overcome an otherwise weak package, everything else (HS transcript, SATs, LOR, etc) is important. But if there are two candidates on a slate with very similar HS stats and scores, and one of them also has a semester in college with a 3.7 gpa in Calc/Chem/Hist/Eng then it's easy to see who would get the nod.
 
I was trying to find the video of the board actually voting (is that the right word?) on packets, with the green on one side and red on the other. Spent wayyyy too long looking for it but it’s pretty neat.

Any forum member have that handy? Seems like it would be a good add here.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
At the risk of bilging your BGO, there really is no way for a BGO to know if you were "extremely close" to appointment unless they were a fly on the wall while Noms and Appointments made their decisions. If you didn't get a TWE until late in the game, its an indicator that you were competitive. However, keep in mind that each year brings a new group of competitors ...which can be good or bad.

I can tell OP is looking for someone to tell him that his chances are better this year...and to some degree they are if he has demonstrated performance in college level course (with STEM emphasis), and perseverance gives some boost. However, Admission to USNA is not about odds, its about USNA admitting the best qualified applicants they can get (of course subject to the constraints they have to work under (i.e. Nominations ).
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I agree 100%. My DS was one of those 88 college re-applicants with Appointments for 2023. He only applied to USNA both years and that focus and diligence was noticed by his MOC panel. But he also went to a solid college for a year, took Chem, Calc., Engineering, etc. making Dean's list and invited to join Alpha Lambda Delta, did NROTC and earned honors, and came in the 2nd time with all new recommendations. NROTC was huge because it confirmed his commitment to naval service. Being away from home was great for his maturity and growth.

Point being, as others have said, it isn't just one, two, or three things and it isn't about "odds" or luck. It's about full commitment to getting better and preparing yourself for the rigor and discipline it takes to compete and do well. They will also want to know your plans as a military officer...why? What motivates you? College and entry-level jobs are easier to get and you don't need to commit for 8 or 9 years. Etc. Lots of factors. In many cases it is harder than the first time around. The MOC panels will absolutely ask you what has changed and what you have done to be a better candidate the second time and you will need to have a clear, confident answer for that. You can't be doing it for the "free" education (it really isn't free at all). You can't be doing it because it's your parents' dream. You can't be doing it because it sounds cool...to make people jealous...or any other superficial reason. It needs to be what YOU want to do and that needs to be clear in your interviews, your personal statement, your application, and clear in your mind. Trying to figure out your "odds" and all of that other stuff is nonsense and out of your control. Focus on the important stuff. Of course, by now you have already done pretty much all you can do. Hopefully, you were able to demonstrate the improvements from last year to this year. Don't stress over things you can't control and Good Luck!!!
 
Packerfan12 said:
I agree 100%. My DS was one of those 88 college re-applicants with Appointments for 2023. He only applied to USNA both years and that focus and diligence was noticed by his MOC panel. But he also went to a solid college for a year, took Chem, Calc., Engineering, etc. making Dean's list and invited to join Alpha Lambda Delta, did NROTC and earned honors, and came in the 2nd time with all new recommendations. NROTC was huge because it confirmed his commitment to naval service. Being away from home was great for his maturity and growth.
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How funny, I almost could have written that! (You had me wondering if my hubby had finally made his own account, and it was him writing this! LOL) DS is also a Class of 2023 college reapplicant (from WI, home of the Packers), only ever applied to USNA, earned a high GPA in plebe classes, and stellar reviews from his NROTC unit... Whoomp! There it is.
 
DKTKT said:
How funny, I almost could have written that! (You had me wondering if my hubby had finally made his own account, and it was him writing this! LOL) DS is also a Class of 2023 college reapplicant (from WI, home of the Packers), only ever applied to USNA, earned a high GPA in plebe classes, and stellar reviews from his NROTC unit... Whoomp! There it is.
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Lol DH
 
Do you believe any successful college re-applicants regret their decision?
It must be difficult to leave an institution where one is thriving academically and is highly regarded by their NROTC unit.
 
Overwhelmed said:
Do you believe any successful college re-applicants regret their decision?
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I suspect a lot of them at least have second thoughts about the decision when they are in the heart of Plebe Summer :) !
Seriously, I'm sure its not easy to go from having all the freedom of a College student to what DW refers to as "the jail school", but if USNA is where they really want to be, there should not be any regrets.
 
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