Concern re: morale

I always tell this to kids going to KP. Becareful what you do to your classmates and underclassmen. People never forget and it's a small industry. I've seen too many people NOT get a job because of what they did at KP. People call around and ask what type of person the individual is and their behavior at school caused them not to get a job. It is better to treat people how you'd want to be treated than be a reg cock. Things come back and haunt people.
There are definitely some resumes which would find their way to my trash can pretty fast if they crossed my desk. A devilish laugh would be heard at the same time too.

Someone once asked my what my biggest regret was about KP ... Not appreciating it as much then as I do now.
 
Apparently it is an epidemic of low morale. I have heard the same. Actually I am slightly comforted by the fact this thread was started today. Whew! They can all be miserable together. Part of me thinks the B splitters are the lucky ones right now. On the other hand, boy are they going to freak when they get back. A -split can't come soon enough!
I trust y'all will remind me I said that when I whine a little later in the year.:redface:
 
Parnets don't need to call the commandant. Parnets need to allow things to progress as is, the regiment will correct itself.

Yeah... my sarcasm isn't as effective when typed out. Though I will say many of my classmates are well on their way to obtaining their minor's in b*#$%ing and moaning this year.
 
Tankercaptain, since they can't leave they have plenty-o-time :shake:
 
While some disagree with the idea, Kings Point IS still a service academy. Things change, administration changes, faculty changes, etc. One thing that doesn't change: midshipmen. And more specifically, the culture of the midshipmen.
I'm here to tell you that the behavior of the midshipmen at Kings Point is getting worse and worse each year. People walk around with full beards, fraternize, disrespect one another (and superiors), the list goes on. Plebe Candidates are all about the regiment and doing what is right when they get out of Indoctrination- until they meet the upperclassmen, most of which enjoy teaching the new plebes how to mock the system and avoid academy regulations.
The administration at Kings Point changes. It's a fact. I don't agree with having a soldier and a marine running the school, but that's also a fact and everyone is stuck with it. One thing CAPT Kennedy will do (is doing), is lay down the much-needed hammer on the midshipmen. We have ill-regarded, unqualified, power-happy, seemingly invincible Company Officers managing (poorly) the Companies. Rebelling against these CO's and other leadership doesn't do anything for the school, because guess what, the CO's aren't graduating and earning the title of Kings Pointer. It's the midshipmen who are graduating and representing what they learned at Kings Point out in the real world. The culture inside the Regiment needs are SERIOUS overhaul. These 'new' rules may seem tough, but it will benefit our school in the end.
I said all of that to say this: ultimately, the midshipmen control their morale and success at Kings Point. We will have bad people in high leadership positions at Kings Point until the day it is closed. We will also have a Regiment of Midshipmen at Kings Point until the day it is closed, and they ARE ultimately the ones that determine how the maritime industry and armed forces view "the Kings Pointer".
Fellow alumni: these 'new' regulations are stringent and a pain. However, they will end up benefiting our school's image.
Parents: cheer your kids up, but tell them they signed on the dotted lines to enter a service academy. Being a Kings Pointer means something, and every person that has walked through that school dealt with BS and changes almost every step of the way.
 
kpmidkp

I appreciate your insight, this is nothing new to the alumni. The next few years will have it's bumps. Thank you for posting
 
There are definitely some resumes which would find their way to my trash can pretty fast if they crossed my desk. A devilish laugh would be heard at the same time too.

Someone once asked my what my biggest regret was about KP ... Not appreciating it as much then as I do now.

Yup. I hated the joint when I was there, but managed to get through without too much trouble. I never really understood the point of the regiment until the last couple of years. Surviving it meant that I could get on with my life and go to sea. I remember rumored threats of purges to whittle down the size of our class, being on restriction during my class' first liberty (I was never restricted after that-I figured out a few things). Getting through the BS of the regimental system prepared me to deal with much the same that is present in any company, corporate or union structure. As other alumni have stated, becareful who you antagonize at KP. Memories are long. I may have graduated over 35 years ago, but the time out still feels shorter that the time I was in. Many memories have faded, except for those that let the power go to their head.

While I don't have any kids at KP, I do have a son in the Navy. I do know that parents that may not be familiar with this kind of system may not like to hear their kids complain about it. I know that I certainly complained in my day. The best way is for these kids to work it out themselves. Liberty cancelled? Well, what will they do at sea when weather or a breakdown of some sort keeps them from getting into port in time or getting ashore. What will they do if their relief doesn't arrive and they have to sail a few weeks (or more) extra? Life is full of disappointments. A life at sea has some pretty big ones. I have experienced both of the foregoing and more. Even on this job, I was stuck overseas when a natural disaster occurred and I barely made it out. Learning to deal with it at school helps.

As has also been stated in this thread, losing a traditional liberty pales in comparison as to why these kids are not getting the real, practical training that they need in the real maritime world of today. THAT should be the cause of a morale problem.
 
Many memories have faded, except for those that let the power go to their head.

As has also been stated in this thread, losing a traditional liberty pales in comparison as to why these kids are not getting the real, practical training that they need in the real maritime world of today. THAT should be the cause of a morale problem.
If any M/N reading this thread get nothing else from it ... Remember this.
 
What are they not getting at USMMA? My son has KP at the top of his 2014-list, as does an athletic coach there. It would be helpful to know now if when he'd come out 2018 if KP's preparation will be enough to put him to work as a Deck-professional. Thank you in advance for experienced insight. I will be sharing this with him, the good, the bad, and the ugly as it were.
 
What are they not getting at USMMA? My son has KP at the top of his 2014-list, as does an athletic coach there. It would be helpful to know now if when he'd come out 2018 if KP's preparation will be enough to put him to work as a Deck-professional. Thank you in advance for experienced insight. I will be sharing this with him, the good, the bad, and the ugly as it were.

Generally speaking yes but the school is really focused only on sailing deep sea starting out as a 3/M and working your way up to Unlimited Master. There are several aspects of the maritime industry with specific skill sets which KP does not prepare you for. It doesn't mean that one cannot be successful in that endeavor, only that you will have to put in some extra work after graduation that one can get at other schools before graduation.

KP will give him a solid foundation on which to build.
 
Exactly. I would not take KP off of any college plans just based on what is posted on this board. One can get a great education there in spite of some of the things that are posted. As the above notes, the training is geared for deep sea, however the current US Flag fleet is not very large and there are not a whole lot of opportunities. This isn't to say that there are any shortage of job opportunities upon graduation. They weren't much better when I graduated some time ago, but I have never been unemployed longer than I wanted to be. What KP does not do is address the current reality of a diminished US Flag deep sea fleet and the opportinities in the offshore petroleum industry.

The place has always had its problems. Morale issues, controversy, etc. These are things that I imagine every class has had to deal with and it is hardly only present at KP. Also understand that it isn't a normal college experience and the industry often (okay, just about always) asks more from its workers than just about any other.
 
My phone is practically ringing off the hook. I get more people contacting me about jobs (sailing and shoreside) than I can respond to. But I'm an engineer with an advanced license ... about the best unemployment insurance you can get.
 
I am a big fan of continuing Ed, and like your 'unemployment insurance' analogy. It leads me to then ask, in the preparation for the industry up to Graduation, does KP and/or the career folks, or the general scuttlebutt there make sure all the grad's know what they have, what it can do for them, and what they can still get to be the most employable person in their field they choose to be, deep-sea, brownwater, tug, etc.?
 
I am a big fan of continuing Ed, and like your 'unemployment insurance' analogy. It leads me to then ask, in the preparation for the industry up to Graduation, does KP and/or the career folks, or the general scuttlebutt there make sure all the grad's know what they have, what it can do for them, and what they can still get to be the most employable person in their field they choose to be, deep-sea, brownwater, tug, etc.?

A mid has to be very proactive to get anything beyond the 3/M or 3A/E. I barely knew what I needed to even get my 3A/E from school much less anything beyond that. I didn't even know limited licenses existed when I graduated. The Code of Federal Regulations, specifically 46CFR 11.1 et al has all the licensing requirements. I didn't know that existed when I graduated either ... notice the trend.

Deck License structure
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/graphics/pdfs/er16mr09.002.pdf

Engineer License structure
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/graphics/pdfs/er16mr09.003.pdf

You can see there is far more than 3rd-Chief/master to think about.

My best advice to not worry about it until a mid has been to see once. See what you do and dont like about sailing on a ship and that will give you some idea of what segment of the industry is best for you. Then check with HR at various companies in various segments of the industry and see what they are looking for. Then read the CFRs to see what you can get and what it will take to get it by graduation. Get to your ATR early early early. Have a plan how to get all the required sea days for your unlimited license AND anything extra you want to get in your second sea year.

Alumni in the segment of the industry you want to break into are your best resource. The 1st Mate on a container ship doesn't necessarily know anything about OSVs or Tugs.
 
The parents should all call the Commandant! I've heard thats worked in the past...

Come on you graduate in 10 months and you want Mommy & Daddy to call the Commandant and tell him he's not being fair? I've always told my DS & DD that if their waiting for life to be fair, their going to wait a long time. I'm in my fifties and still haven't found life to be fair!!:shake::shake:
 
Come on you graduate in 10 months and you want Mommy & Daddy to call the Commandant and tell him he's not being fair? I've always told my DS & DD that if their waiting for life to be fair, their going to wait a long time. I'm in my fifties and still haven't found life to be fair!!:shake::shake:

I think he might have meant that comment in a slight sarcastic way.
 
I think he might have meant that comment in a slight sarcastic way.

My understanding from reading the entire thread is he did.

That said to those with all the "man up" comments here I'd just say I think you are are being a little naive here. As noted it's not like back in the day when we went through a "regime change" once every 5 years or so ....

Also though to those commenting about how you hope the Class of 2013 and 2014 don't totally get callous, sort of alluding to you think they might have cause, and stop supporting or never donate, etc in the future ... I'll just say, personal opinion as a current Class Gift Chair: they should not do so - it's (giving) not about "you" it's about affording others the same sort of opportunities that you have been and/or were afforded or better. That said I've rambled on this before I hear all sorts of reasons as to why my classmates choose to give, not give, restrict their donations, etc. I suspect ten, twenty and thirty one years from now the Class of 2013's gift chair will hear them all and many of the same ones I hear today as well - regardless of whether they and their classmates feel good or not this week, month or year and/or remember how they felt today when they are being asked to give.

The bizarre thing to me is that apparently some members of the current Class of 2013 feel for whatever reason they can and should advise others not to follow in their footsteps to and through the USMMA, no because of the options and opportunities they are seeing the recently graduated Class of 2012 have but because they are unhappy about such transitory things as the liberty policy and/or backpacks, etc. The reason it's bizarre to me is I look at the academic and test score profile of these young men and women's entering class and it would seem to me they would approach this whole current situation a little more unemotionally and logically - looking at the prize not the current challenges. I'd also suggest that in whatever way that each family and parent - those who best know the young men and women who may feel this way - do their best to help in enabling them to get through it. The prize is worth the journey, it really is.

That said telling them to "man-up" oversimplifies the entire situation. There is no doubt that for them once again the rules have changed. For the most part we who are parents of the recently graduated Class of 2012 , and 2011 saw, dealt with and had to help our children deal with it. As individuals there were changes we agreed with and/or didn't agree with. To a fair degree I think it is fair and smart to point out to those living through this, the situation is not unique to USMMA or Service Academies - look at the recent situation with the President of UVA, etc. There are lots of things in life where you do indeed have to plow through it. My opinion, and what I passed to my son and his 2012 Classmates when these sorts of things came up (between 7/7/2009 and 6/18/2012) was, as long as what you are driving towards in the way of goals and the likelihood of ultimate success is there and worth it to you find a coping mechanism or release that works for you and plow on.

Maybe that's saying man-up maybe it's not, I don't know, but not my point or suggestion. I do think it was presenting them an understanding and sympathetic ear and offering the only real support I felt I could that might help them get past it all to and through graduation. Thankfully, they all did and now are onto the next chapter of what look like they will be successful, happy lives.

Just one man's opinion/suggestion and we all know what those are like :smile:
 
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