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more info on the outbreak on TR ( my old ship)
https://www.navytimes.com/news/coro...tbreak-sidelines-a-deployed-aircraft-carrier/

the number infected is in the 20s now, and sure to go up. will be very interesting to see how this compares to the cruise ship out of japan. the population is very very different - mostly much younger and healthier. also testing 100% of those on the ship will probably find many postitives with no symptoms, maybe that data from a large, closed population will help inform the larger number crunching that is going on
 
ā€œThe ship is operationally capable if called upon to do so,ā€ he added, ā€œbut we are pulling the ship into Guam. Nobody from the ship will be allowed to leave the ship other than on the pier.ā€

I understand the need for personnel to be on the pier if inport, but why be inport? The activity on the pier opens up many more portals of entry for the virus. If samples are required to be tested ashore, can't a helo ferry them? The TR has medical spaces and personnel larger than some community hospitals. Not only do carriers belong at sea, but can we please filter some of the information coming out of DOD. I watched the presser at the Pentagon yesterday and the Commandant of the Marine Corps and SMMC rattled off every training event cancelled, which is all of them, and every haircut that's not going to happen.

Are we surrendering here in the name of infection control? I hope not.
 
from the article:
"Naval medical resources available in Guam will allow for more effective testing measures than would be available if the ship was at sea, Gilday added."

maybe that means they can cycle 5000 people through testing more quickly and efficiently that if at sea. regarding risk of virus entry on the pier, isn't that sort of moot now that the virus is all over the ship? also, i guess it depends on what they mean by "pier". I would think it's a pretty small area of asphalt cordoned off by chain link fence with a secure gate, not like the wide open pier area at a place like Norfolk , but i have no idea

from the article, it seems like anyone that tests positive will be taken off the ship and moved to the medical facility for treatment. i suppose they will keep the entire crew of 5000 separated from the outside for 15 days to make sure those that remain are virus free, but that only works if the crew is distancing from each other while on the ship - seems hard to do that.

otherwise, the spread will continue to go through the ship and people who are negative this week will be positive next week and so on until most of the whole crew gets it - similar to the case study from the cruise ship
 
from the article:
"Naval medical resources available in Guam will allow for more effective testing measures than would be available if the ship was at sea, Gilday added."

I read that which is why I asked if helos could ferry the samples to the lab ashore. The virus is already aboard the ship but why open a portal to the base. The ship will I assume get re-supply or maybe they will not.

Keeping 5000 separated from the rest of the world seems better accomplished at sea.

I've never been there but I found this photo.
 

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i don't disagree

but, whether at sea or in port with a sealed off pier, it seems like the virus is already there and will spread

protecting the rest of the base (and the rest of the world) from the ship is best accomplished if the ship is at sea. but maybe removing the virus from the ship is best accomplished at the pier?

wonder if they are planning to cycle through the whole crew multiple times and pulling out the positives after each round? the test is only a point in time check, and i think it can take up to 15 days to develop enough to show as positive? seem like every time they test the crew they will have a bunch of new positives.

it's a very big ship, but i can't imagine how they will be able to keep people separated enough to prevent spread.
 
by the way, not all training is cancelled

CNATRA is flying a full schedule of training. speaking of OPSEC, i was surprised that this info is out there publicly available

CNATRA Web Schedules

www.cnatra.navy.mil

every training flight for every squadron, complete with SNA and IP names etc.

i guess the convenience of getting the daily schedule out overrides any security concerns these days. seems like they should at least make it PW protected or something.
 
A6E Dad said:
by the way, not all training is cancelled

CNATRA is flying a full schedule of training. speaking of OPSEC, i was surprised that this info is out there publicly available

CNATRA Web Schedules

www.cnatra.navy.mil

every training flight for every squadron, complete with SNA and IP names etc.

i guess the convenience of getting the daily schedule out overrides any security concerns these days. seems like they should at least make it PW protected or something.
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I only watched the CMC's Q and A yesterday and that was only tangentially until a reporter asked pointedly if the ITX for 3/1 out of Pendleton was cancelled. My son had already told me everything at 29 Palms is cancelled sending him into a flurry of rage. Until his heavy bag came in which will chill him out a little. Then the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps answered questions on how Marines will get their weekly haircuts.
 
thankfully, the Admiral responding to that question reassured us that "Uh, we don't anticipate that happening"
 
A6E Dad said:
i guess the convenience of getting the daily schedule out overrides any security concerns these days. seems like they should at least make it PW protected or something.
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Thatā€™s really surprising. Whenever I visit a squadron building son #1 is always telling me not to read the flight board on the wall by the Ops desk due to OPSEC. Now I can just tell him itā€™s no big deal since the Navy puts theirs on the interwebs.

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A6E Dad said:
by the way, not all training is cancelled

CNATRA is flying a full schedule of training. speaking of OPSEC, i was surprised that this info is out there publicly available

CNATRA Web Schedules

www.cnatra.navy.mil

every training flight for every squadron, complete with SNA and IP names etc.

i guess the convenience of getting the daily schedule out overrides any security concerns these days. seems like they should at least make it PW protected or something.
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It's been that way since before I was an SNA. Fleet squadron schedules are FOUO and not to be distributed on non-MCEN/NMCI platforms.
Honestly I don't think there's too huge of an OPSEC risk for flight school. There's nothing tactical going on and it shouldn't surprise anyone that a ton of T-6s are flying around FL/TX. Computer access in training squadrons is very limited and most SNAs likely don't own CAC enabled computers. Much easier to heard the cats this way.
What I would think would be a bigger concern that OPSEC for CNATRA would be the rumor mill control in the event of a mishap if skeds are available.
 
i agree there isn't much interesting about a training sched, except as you mention, in the event of a mishap when all the reporters rush to see who was flying that day etc. fleet scheds are a diff story

used to be, you had to hang around the squadron until the sched came out around 4pm, to make sure you knew about the 0600 brief. calling in from home to check the sched was always a crapshoot
 
THParent said:
They had better not put too much stuff on Guam. It could tip over, you know.
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Actually, the term used by the good congressman from Georgia was ā€œcapsize.ā€ Made my kids watch that video to learn two things: (1) electability is no antidote to idiocy, (2) poker-faced restraint is a valuable trait, as demonstrated by the admiral in the hot seat.
 
MidCakePa said:
Actually, the term used by the good congressman from Georgia was ā€œcapsize.ā€ Made my kids watch that video to learn two things: (1) electability is no antidote to idiocy, (2) poker-faced restraint is a valuable trait, as demonstrated by the admiral in the hot seat.
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I still laugh when I think about that moment.
 
Hurricane12 said:
I wuld think would be a bigger concern that OPSEC for CNATRA would be the rumor mill control in the event of a mishap if skeds are available.
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That is exactly what happened when the T45 from seven crashed in TN. The link to the schedule got shared on FB and we all knew who the IP and the Student were pretty quickly.
 
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