Covid 19 Norwich VMI Citadel UNG, VA Tech and TAMU

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What are the plans at VMI. Citadel, Va Tech, TAMU and UNG as far as housing for cadets? I have been reading Norwich will have fall 2020 Rooks report in and go through a modified Rook week. As far as housing, Rooks are guaranteed housing on campus but non-contracted upper classmen, Many sophomores hope to do well and contract and scholarship junior year. I'm guessing VMI and Citadel don't have this problem because of their small to zero civilian student population.
 
As of right now for The Citadel they are having everyone come back on campus. We need to be tested first and if we test positive then we are not allowed to be at The Citadel in person. We would take online courses and return the following year.
 
The Citadel's procedures are outlined in this instruction posted on the College website. For members of the 4th Class, if you test positive - you will have to go through the 4th Class system in 2021 - trust me you do not want to do that - so isolate now and don't contract the virus.
 
As far as housing, Rooks are guaranteed housing on campus but non-contracted upper classmen
At Norwich, members of the Corps live on campus all for years, not sure what you mean.
 
The Rats are reporting to VMI On 8/15 &8/16?- 2 day schedule rather than all at the same time, Cadre will report 10 days before that, and old Corps reports around 8/28 I believe- ( don’t have the schedule in front of me.) Some changes in barracks ( no company meeting rooms- stairwells are one directional) mess hall will have multiple feeding times rather than the entire Corps at one sitting - so for example Rats will have breakfast at 0600. Thanksgiving leave is cancelled and Cadets remain on post until Christmas furlough- (apparently upper class Cadets Alison won’t get passes into Lexington in the first semester ). Tentatively there is still a parents weekend and the Corps will still attend football games, but personally I doubt that will happen. It’s gonna be an interesting and challenging year. They released a 200 page oporder detailing layout of rooms, schedules& procedures - it is pretty thorough.
 
At Norwich, members of the Corps live on campus all for years, not sure what you mean.
Norwich has sent out emails to sophomore and junior Corps who do not have majors that require labs and they must complete the fall semester online so the school can comply with social distancing guidelines. Contracted Cadets and leadership positions will be on campus. Fall sports season cancelled, parents weekend cancelled, delayed graduation for class of 2020 scheduled for September cancelled. Classes on post will be hybrid. Parents can only drop Rooks off and must stay in car. Vermont has a very strict quarantine policy.
 
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Norwich has sent out emails to sophomore and junior Corps who do not have majors that require labs and they must complete the fall semester online so the school can comply with social distancing guidelines. Contracted Cadets and leadership positions will be on campus.
I have to wonder what this does to sophomore Cadets pursuing an on campus scholarship or contract.
That scenario has proved to be a successful plan B for those that maybe did not have the GPA or SAT required to be awarded a national scholarship.
Many 2.5 year on campus scholarships are awarded every year
 
Norwich has sent out emails to sophomore and junior Corps who do not have majors that require labs and they must complete the fall semester online so the school can comply with social distancing guidelines. Contracted Cadets and leadership positions will be on campus. Fall sports season cancelled, parents weekend cancelled, delayed graduation for class of 2020 scheduled for September cancelled. Classes on post will be hybrid. Parents can only drop Rooks off and must stay in car. Vermont has a very strict quarantine policy.
This situation will put a lot of cadets in a tough spot, there are many who are CJ or liberal arts majors who are non-contract that won't be allowed back on campus. I'm wonder if your a cadet not allowed back on campus what happens to your MS2 year for AROTC?
 
The Norwich model is interesting. I think one of the concerns for the SMCs is that the "in person" experience is one of the main reasons people choose to attend. If you take that away - Norwich, The Citadel. VMI... are really no different than any other online program. The next few weeks will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out.

I also wonder if there will be any new direction for contracted/scholarship cadets on gap year options.
 
EEBTTF, you may be right. I’d also add that the Citadel and Norwich both have a student body consisting of cadets and non cadet students and they both offer online degree programs (both grad and undergrad). As VMI is cadets only and just 1600 of them, the “in person” aspect is essential to VMI. In fact, this is the first time in history that VMI had to offer any type of online class. This is significant because this is a historical first for VMI.
Hope VMI is able to manage the balance of cadets In classrooms, barracks, and on post, while maintaining a healthy Corps in this uncertain time. Good luck!
 
Just found out Norwich will allow those sophomores pursuing ROTC scholarships to remain on campus along with the contracted Cadets
That’s good news. Hope all the SMCs are able to properly manage and balance their respective missions in these uncertain times.
 
The Citadel learned a lot hosting the Marine "Poolies" for the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Paris Island, for a couple of months - and made a little money. There was a large contingent of Navy Medical Corps on campus along with College staff monitoring progress of these raw recruits - mostly 18-20 year olds who spent their first 14 days in quarantine, on campus. Although they were in quarantine, they did do PT training, ate in the Mess Hall and received classes in groups while maintaining separation and good hygiene. This should help when the 700 members of the 4th Class report early August. They will be essentially quarantined with the Cadre in separate barracks from the upper class cadets while they undergo a month or two of training as well as start classes separate from the upper classes. As I understand the protocol, mostly 4th Class will attend class, while upper class cadets will take a mix of on-line and where necessary lab classes on a rotation basis.

The non-military students who attend The Citadel are all in the Night School Programs for Graduate or undergraduates, or on-line students, so they are never on campus with cadets in normal times. My guess is these Night School students will take on-line courses, unless they need to take a lab class at night - again on a rotational basis to maintain separation and hygiene. There are a few active duty Marines (MECEPS) - about 40 in all four classes, and active duty Navy - about 20 in all four classes, and 70 veteran students. My guess is these few students will be dealt with the same as upper class cadets - mostly on-line courses unless they need to do a lab. My assumption is the active duty military who are typically E-5,6 and 7, and veterans will be disciplined enough to follow protocols. See:
 
The Citadel learned a lot hosting the Marine "Poolies" for the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Paris Island, for a couple of months - and made a little money. There was a large contingent of Navy Medical Corps on campus along with College staff monitoring progress of these raw recruits - mostly 18-20 year olds who spent their first 14 days in quarantine, on campus. Although they were in quarantine, they did do PT training, ate in the Mess Hall and received classes in groups while maintaining separation and good hygiene. This should help when the 700 members of the 4th Class report early August. They will be essentially quarantined with the Cadre in separate barracks from the upper class cadets while they undergo a month or two of training as well as start classes separate from the upper classes. As I understand the protocol, mostly 4th Class will attend class, while upper class cadets will take a mix of on-line and where necessary lab classes on a rotation basis.

The non-military students who attend The Citadel are all in the Night School Programs for Graduate or undergraduates, or on-line students, so they are never on campus with cadets in normal times. My guess is these Night School students will take on-line courses, unless they need to take a lab class at night - again on a rotational basis to maintain separation and hygiene. There are a few active duty Marines (MECEPS) - about 40 in all four classes, and active duty Navy - about 20 in all four classes, and 70 veteran students. My guess is these few students will be dealt with the same as upper class cadets - mostly on-line courses unless they need to do a lab. My assumption is the active duty military who are typically E-5,6 and 7, and veterans will be disciplined enough to follow protocols. See:
Glen,

I am the grandfather of a Citadel 2nd classman (Cadre, Marine contract). Based on my conversations with him, I think that you have largely hit the nail on the head in the above post.

Cadre are due to report on 1 Aug, a week before the knobs. As you noted, the knobs and cadre will be housed in two battalions (dorm/ barrack buildings) which means that cadre members will be cut off from their classmates, since intermingling with other battalions is prohibited until further notice. The number of cadre members has been cut to the bone.

Upperclassmen (1st through 3rd classmen) will be returning mid-August and will be housed with their companies, but maybe not in their company's traditional barracks.

My understanding is that face-to-face classes will be the normal mode of instruction (even for upperclassmen) with desks spaced apart in the classrooms. This may require that large classes are broken into smaller sections.

Each meal will have three time slots and cadets will be spaced apart.

First semester instruction will end at Thanksgiving break, and exams will be administered on-line.

Based on the Citadel's experience with the Marine Corps enlistees, the Citadel hopes that the combination of social distancing, masks, and "podding" battalions apart from one another will allow the powers that be to control the Covid-19 situation.

The hope is that all of this is temporary and that everyone will be able to return to his/her company and normal battalions

On the other hand, I expect that no cadet should hold his/her breath for a weekend leave for the next couple of months.

Best,
 
Glen,

I am the grandfather of a Citadel 2nd classman (Cadre, Marine contract). Based on my conversations with him, I think that you have largely hit the nail on the head in the above post.

Cadre are due to report on 1 Aug, a week before the knobs. As you noted, the knobs and cadre will be housed in two battalions (dorm/ barrack buildings) which means that cadre members will be cut off from their classmates, since intermingling with other battalions is prohibited until further notice. The number of cadre members has been cut to the bone.

Upperclassmen (1st through 3rd classmen) will be returning mid-August and will be housed with their companies, but maybe not in their company's traditional barracks.

My understanding is that face-to-face classes will be the normal mode of instruction (even for upperclassmen) with desks spaced apart in the classrooms. This may require that large classes are broken into smaller sections.

Each meal will have three time slots and cadets will be spaced apart.

First semester instruction will end at Thanksgiving break, and exams will be administered on-line.

Based on the Citadel's experience with the Marine Corps enlistees, the Citadel hopes that the combination of social distancing, masks, and "podding" battalions apart from one another will allow the powers that be to control the Covid-19 situation.

The hope is that all of this is temporary and that everyone will be able to return to his/her company and normal battalions

On the other hand, I expect that no cadet should hold his/her breath for a weekend leave for the next couple of months.

Best,
My DS will be in the class of 2024 - also a Marine Contract. I am confident that if it can be done it will be done at The Citadel this year.
 
The non-military students who attend The Citadel are all in the Night School Programs for Graduate or undergraduates, or on-line students, so they are never on campus with cadets in normal times.

See correct info below. Citadel 2+2 Students and Day Students do attend classes with cadets. These programs are growing and are very much a vibrant addition to and a great source of revenue for the school. Neighbor’s daughter is 2+2 student, non-cadet, and in senior year at Citadel. She’s getting her ring this year as well. Great person and great soon-to-be graduate!
 
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See correct info below. Citadel 2+2 Students and Day Students do attend classes with cadets. These programs are growing and are very much a vibrant addition to and a great source of revenue for the school. Neighbor’s daughter is 2+2 student, non-cadet, and in senior year at Citadel. She’s getting her ring this year as well. Great person and great soon-to-be graduate!

Landy91 - 2+2 Program students do not attend classes with cadets. The "Day Students" you refer to in the cited URL is for cadets who have completed 4 years in the Corps and their ROTC program commitments - but still have not met graduation requirements. The 2+2 Program is for Night Students who transfer from a junior college or Associate Degree to The Citadel Evening Program to complete a 4 year degree in The Citadel's Evening School. The only way your neighbor's daughter could attend class with cadets during the day unless she is active duty Marine or Navy, or she is a DD-214 Veteran. See:
College Transfer Program Offerings
The Citadel currently offers 12 College Transfer Program offerings to students who wish to pursue a bachelor's degree. There are two different paths within the College Transfer Program structure: 2+2 transfer programs and degree completion programs.

“2+2” Transfer Programs allow you to complete your first two years of study at an accredited college or university, then transfer those credits to The Citadel for the final two years to complete your degree through our evening on-campus program.

Degree Completion Programs allow you to begin once you have earned a minimum of 24 academic credit hours in general education courses. A combination of evening on-campus and online formats are available.
 
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Guess she’s a hybrid then! She did a few years at Trident Tech and she’s definitely excited about getting her Citadel ring! Day students, night students, cadets, transfer students and 2+2 students, it seems to be a great mix for the school! Good luck to them all in returning to the Citadel this fall! More on 2+2 below for prospective students:
 
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