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They go and serve as SWOs first then are guaranteed an Intel billet after earning their SWO pin.
The part I am unsure of is if they are required to serve 1 tour, 2 tours or just earn their pin before they can move on to Intel. Also what additional obligation they incur. A current Mid or recent grad I am sure can chime in.
The part I am unsure of is if they are required to serve 1 tour, 2 tours or just earn their pin before they can move on to Intel. Also what additional obligation they incur. A current Mid or recent grad I am sure can chime in.
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Well, if its the same as yesteryear, I was Surface with the Air Option which had me aboard ship for approx 2 yrs and then orders to flight school if I wanted them. FWIW, my obligation was the same as all the SWO candidates. They won't be SWOs until they EARN a pin.
I'm confused.
DD told me: plan A was to win one of 2-3 slots for "line qualified Intel". Plan B was to go SWO and lat transfer to intel after her 1st or 2nd tour.
Today she told me that she was one of 3 selected for Line Qualified Mids to become Intel officers--- I think right out of the USNA??. She referenced an Intel pin (I think) and cheers from her company at the announcement. She's been chasing one of those "2-3 slots" for 3.5 years, it was a great day for her.
Hoops n Old Ret SWO, if I understand you, that wouldn't happen. She is SWO and will move to intel down the road; right?
I'm OK with it either way. At this point I don't call the shots, I can just be happy that she hit her goal and is happy.-----but I am confused.
DD told me: plan A was to win one of 2-3 slots for "line qualified Intel". Plan B was to go SWO and lat transfer to intel after her 1st or 2nd tour.
Today she told me that she was one of 3 selected for Line Qualified Mids to become Intel officers--- I think right out of the USNA??. She referenced an Intel pin (I think) and cheers from her company at the announcement. She's been chasing one of those "2-3 slots" for 3.5 years, it was a great day for her.
Hoops n Old Ret SWO, if I understand you, that wouldn't happen. She is SWO and will move to intel down the road; right?
I'm OK with it either way. At this point I don't call the shots, I can just be happy that she hit her goal and is happy.-----but I am confused.
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If I understand correctly this means she won a very highly coveted spot and is going straight into the intel community. My understanding is that only 3 PQ mids were chosen to go restricted line Intel off the bat.
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congrats to DD!!!!
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It sounds like she will be direct to Intel with interim SWO tour. Understand that there are plusses and minuses to doing this. While Physically qualified mids don't always get the opportunity to go direct to Intel, there are always some Direct to Intel officers - the Not Physically Qualified as well as folks from other commissioning sources who will enter Intel as Ensigns while the lateral transfers are usually at the LTJG or LT point and already have some fleet experience.
SWO:
MIDN commissions with designator 1160 (SWO candidate, qualified SWOs are 1110). Works hard, gets good fitness reports, gets qualified. Applies for lateral transfer at the end of first tour. Lateral transfer board announcement message denotes the quotas and desired year groups for each community. Conversation will have to be had with the detailer. Officer will submit an application package and go up to a selection board.
SWO-Intel:
MIDN commissions with officer designator 1160L denoting SWO Option with an Additional Qualification Designator of "LOB" denoting Intelligence Option. After one SWO tour (and SWO qualification) the officer is eligible for lateral transfer without board action to the Option (in this case, Intel) community with concurrence from the SWO community manager. If the SWO community manager wants to hold them for a second sea tour, they can. The officer skips the lateral transfer application process, quota control, and selection board.
Both can end up following the same timeline, but without board action is significant--it is guaranteed regardless of quotas, provided you don't land an adverse fitness report. For those without the Option at graduation, some years there might not be open quotas for lateral transfer to your desired community or from your current community, and you just have to wait for next year.
After the transfer, they will be 1830 Intelligence officers, but they will retain all AQDs gained as a SWO, e.g. Officer of the Deck qualification and SWO qualification will remain in their record.
Either she is referring to SWO-Intel, or USNA has begun commissioning physically qualified MIDN directly to Intel, which is interesting. Last I checked, Intel is not hurting for people like IP/CW is, and in fact was known for having decent attrition at O-3.
MIDN commissions with designator 1160 (SWO candidate, qualified SWOs are 1110). Works hard, gets good fitness reports, gets qualified. Applies for lateral transfer at the end of first tour. Lateral transfer board announcement message denotes the quotas and desired year groups for each community. Conversation will have to be had with the detailer. Officer will submit an application package and go up to a selection board.
SWO-Intel:
MIDN commissions with officer designator 1160L denoting SWO Option with an Additional Qualification Designator of "LOB" denoting Intelligence Option. After one SWO tour (and SWO qualification) the officer is eligible for lateral transfer without board action to the Option (in this case, Intel) community with concurrence from the SWO community manager. If the SWO community manager wants to hold them for a second sea tour, they can. The officer skips the lateral transfer application process, quota control, and selection board.
Both can end up following the same timeline, but without board action is significant--it is guaranteed regardless of quotas, provided you don't land an adverse fitness report. For those without the Option at graduation, some years there might not be open quotas for lateral transfer to your desired community or from your current community, and you just have to wait for next year.
After the transfer, they will be 1830 Intelligence officers, but they will retain all AQDs gained as a SWO, e.g. Officer of the Deck qualification and SWO qualification will remain in their record.
Either she is referring to SWO-Intel, or USNA has begun commissioning physically qualified MIDN directly to Intel, which is interesting. Last I checked, Intel is not hurting for people like IP/CW is, and in fact was known for having decent attrition at O-3.