Demerits and punishments

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  1. sooner_bred

    sooner_bred New Member

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    Thank you all for the help and advice!
     
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  2. c17hopeful

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    There was definitely a miscommunication. A SSS requires passes in order to use it. Your daughter should have known that, and it sounds like she did. Her upperclassman also should have told her that she couldn't leave because she didn't have any passes. Sounds like both of them are somewhat at fault. As for the punishments, a lot of them are interconnected. Con-Apt probation automatically means she can't do Recognition, as far as I know. That is also what restricts her and removes her from the club. You can't really get a major probation for less than six months, so that's why everything is six months. Demerits don't really mean much except a number higher or lower than 200...as long as she doesn't get into any more major trouble she should be fine. She shouldn't get kicked out for this. Like you said, it sounds like a serious communication error with both parties at fault.
     
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  3. Capri120

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    I agree that some of the punishments seem harsh; however, leaving the Academy without a pass is not a good thing. Unfortunately, your daughter is learning a lesson about the military, not just the Academy, the hard way. If it is not in writing, and only a verbal, it is not valid.
    It is also possible that the upperclassmen were also "punished" since they are the ones that called her back. I suspect, someone found out they verbally gave her approval and told them that was wrong and they had no authority to give such permission.
    Even though there is probably nothing she can do to reverse the punishments, I would suggest she seek out and talk to her AOC, not in a manner of making excuses, but to ensure he/she is aware of the situation. The AOC may, though, just remind her that she knew she had no pass and should not have gone.
    As 16lpontzer said, this should not jeopardize her position at the Academy, but she will need to keep her nose clean for a long while to compensate.
     
  4. THParent

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    Anyone reading this open forum can read your post - which is fairly detailed - and allows anyone at USAFA who digs just a little
    to figure out who it is.

    Your advice to her should be; "You obviously have learned something from all this. I'm sorry it happened and it certainly doesn't seem fair, but now is the time to embrace the suck and move on."
     
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  5. sooner_bred

    sooner_bred New Member

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    Thank you both. Yes she now knows everything will be in writing lol, she hasn't been in any other trouble, she hasn't even filled out a SSS before this, she usually doesn't use passes, just in the last two months for something with the club she's in she normally stays and does what she's supposed to, I just felt these were a bit harsh for something like this and for someone who hasn't gotten into any trouble at all. I will tell her to talk with her AOC (not sure what that is but I will pass it on) thank you for the advice.
     
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  6. Sam2018

    Sam2018 5-Year Member

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    I wonder why they would book them a place anyway. 100s weekend is a great time for the doolies left all alone at the academy :)
     
  7. c17hopeful

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    For the harshness, like I said, there are almost minimum punishments for each "tier" of discipline, if you will. So unfortunately, for the "tier" she landed in, these are basically the minimums. Losing recognition really sucks though.
     
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    AROTC-dad Moderator 5-Year Member

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    Air Officers Commanding (AOC) supervise cadets, and are located within each group and squadron (Now added to the Acronym list).
     
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  9. WinstonWolfePF

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    Like Capri120 said, it sounds like she learned a valuable lesson about the military. Write everything down.. hell, I probably would have drafted an MFR for this. Cover your *** no matter what you do. She no doubt knew that this situation was on the edge of being acceptable/unacceptable. It's better she learns it at the Academy.. Don't forget, this is where you're supposed to learn stuff like this.
     
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    Usually AOCs have to be involved in giving Con-Apt so since that would be her appeal authority, she probably can't do much in the way of appeal. The theoretical number for disenrollment is 200 demerits
     
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  11. THParent

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    I am exceedingly glad you (or a MOD) edited that post.
    One thing you do not want to do, is make it harder on your Doolie to be a Doolie.
    This goes for any sort of personal social media postings.
    They have enough stress just being at the Academy, so we (parents) shouldn't be adding to it.
     
  12. sooner_bred

    sooner_bred New Member

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    Yes I already told her that, I told her it's time to show them why she was appointed and kick some butt now, she needs to show them that she is not dishonest or deceitful and is there for the right reasons.
    I agree, thank you, I wanted to delete it completely but not sure how...
     
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    After you get to 5 posts, you can avail yourself of the PM feature and set up (a somewhat private) conversation with one or more of the members here, to ask questions of a more specific nature. There are a lot of members who know a LOT about more than one SA, and can be a valuable resource for you as you negotiate this roller-coaster ride as a parent. I'm not one of them. I know a little about USNA, and that's about it.

    I have visited that particular country club in Colorado Springs and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
    "So I got that goin' for me, which is nice!"
     
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  14. sooner_bred

    sooner_bred New Member

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    LOL Ok thank you! I appreciate you helping me and reigning me in, I didn't want to put a lot out there because we don't want to cause problems, I was really just curious if she had any way to try and fix some of it, but it is what it is and she will have to move on as a learning experience and cross t's dot i's and it will all work out in the end. I will just leave this post since I have no info on the original post now anyhow. thank you so much for the advice!
     
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    AROTC-dad Moderator 5-Year Member

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    This is a key reason why we encourage members to NOT use their real name or other personally identifiable information on their user name or their avatar. It seems that every week, we see another new member with a photo portrait or a real name on their profile.
     
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  16. Maplerock

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    This is a case of severe parental worry. Normal. I'd say to be a sounding board for your kid, but resist the urge to get involved. You don't want to be "that guy".

    I'm betting there is more to the story that we, and even you... don't know. We can't fix everything. In fact, the best growth and maturity comes from going through turmoil and persevering.
     
  17. sooner_bred

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    Thank you, I wasn't going to get involved, we are new to all this so I was asking mainly to know how it works, what punishments/demerits are normal, mainly just so we can feel better without having to discuss it with her more as she already feels bad enough, we weren't sure how many demerits they can have before being unenrolled etc., so mainly just asking for our peace of mind. luckily she is feeling much better and is fine with taking her punishment and making it in to a positive thing.
     
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