Denied Scholarship due to Hearing loss

nico98

Member
I got a bad knews! My scholarship was denied due to hearing loss. I would like to join the Marines enlisted and the recruiter told me that I have high chance to pass because restrictions are not as becoming an officer. Questions.
Why? Why I can be a soldier but not an officer. Do you want me be a better person? or I just become a number...
 
can you request a waiver? and which commissioning source are you going through - NROTC MO or OCS?

different commisioning sources have different needs/requirements, so some might be more stringent than others. that said, the military IS in a growing/expanding phase thanks to President Trump, so all branches should theoretically be looking to increase their manpower.
 

kinnem

Moderator
5-Year Member
Sometimes recruiters say things that aren't entirely accurate. Not saying it's the case here, but...
 

USMCGrunt

5-Year Member
Nico: I am not going to spend a whole lot of time looking at hearing standards, but in the 5 minutes I spent on Google, it seems the standards on hearing for entry into the services is universally applied to all. From your posts, it seems that you were DQ and this latest news is that a waiver was not authorized. If so, I am not sure if another shot is going to be worth it. I am sure that others on this Forum can speak with authority on medical waivers and the process. If I had any advice, it might be to go to an audiologist and have your hearing retested. Perhaps this can keep the door open now or in the future.

As Kinnem notes, I would be a little suspect about the recruiter's position.

In general, I would not count on an enlisted entry program as a path to an officer commission.

Best of luck
 

nico98

Member
can you request a waiver? and which commissioning source are you going through - NROTC MO or OCS?

different commisioning sources have different needs/requirements, so some might be more stringent than others. that said, the military IS in a growing/expanding phase thanks to President Trump, so all branches should theoretically be looking to increase their manpower.
That was a DQ from the waiver. I was till the end on the list for a Naval Academy nominations, I passed all test and got 3 nominations. on April 7th i received a rejection from USNA. Okay, well not what expected with a 3.8 GPA and etc, but I had plan B. I was accepted for ROTC scholarship, great!! its ok. 3 days ago a letter of DQ because my hearing loss are at 500 20, 1k 45, 2k 50, 3k 60, 4k 50, 6k 45, only on my right hear while left hear is ok.
Totally unexpected!! i went to a Marines recruiter and he told me that as enlisted medical are less strict from becoming an officer. More chances!!
But its unfair!! Why? Any waiver with condition? Why if i downgraded as rank I am ok? I love serve the country but COLLEGE should be a MUST to everyone who has a change. I would like to remark that I do have a pre-paid college, thanks to my parents. But I want to do both!! I want a college degree and join the Military!!! Going enlisted means no time for college!! 1 or 2 class per semester? I will never finish.
Please Please any help?
 

nico98

Member
Nico: I am not going to spend a whole lot of time looking at hearing standards, but in the 5 minutes I spent on Google, it seems the standards on hearing for entry into the services is universally applied to all. From your posts, it seems that you were DQ and this latest news is that a waiver was not authorized. If so, I am not sure if another shot is going to be worth it. I am sure that others on this Forum can speak with authority on medical waivers and the process. If I had any advice, it might be to go to an audiologist and have your hearing retested. Perhaps this can keep the door open now or in the future.

As Kinnem notes, I would be a little suspect about the recruiter's position.

In general, I would not count on an enlisted entry program as a path to an officer commission.

Best of luck
I did it, I went to 2 audiologist and gave me same report. But all with same comment: Its family history and none in the family use hearings aids. Its not progressive and need an annually visit for check up"
I was till the end on the list for a Naval Academy nominations, I passed all test and got 3 nominations. on April 7th i received a rejection from USNA. Okay, well not what expected with a 3.8 GPA and etc, but I had plan B. I was accepted for ROTC scholarship, great!! its ok. 3 days ago a letter of DQ because my hearing loss are at 500 20, 1k 45, 2k 50, 3k 60, 4k 50, 6k 45, only on my right hear while left hear is ok.
Totally unexpected!! i went to a Marines recruiter and he told me that as enlisted medical are less strict from becoming an officer. More chances!!
But its unfair!! Why? Any waiver with condition? Why if i downgraded as rank I am ok? I love serve the country but COLLEGE should be a MUST to everyone who has a change. I would like to remark that I do have a pre-paid college, thanks to my parents. But I want to do both!! I want a college degree and join the Military!!! Going enlisted means no time for college!! 1 or 2 class per semester? I will never finish.
Please Please any help?
 

nico98

Member
can you request a waiver? and which commissioning source are you going through - NROTC MO or OCS?

different commisioning sources have different needs/requirements, so some might be more stringent than others. that said, the military IS in a growing/expanding phase thanks to President Trump, so all branches should theoretically be looking to increase their manpower.
NROTC
 

Capt MJ

10-Year Member
@nico98 I realize this is frustrating, to have paths apparently cut off.

See this link - it's accession standards.
http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/DODI_6130.03_JUL12.pdf

The Services may choose to waive certain DQs for different reasons, all mission-related. Within a Service, officers, because of certain roles only they fill, may not get waivers, while enlisted personnel may. There are reasons that underlie these decisions, and the Services have been making them a long time.

If officer paths are closed to you, and service is paramount to you, enlist, serve long enough to get full GI Bill benefit, and join the thousands of veterans on college campuses today. Or, surprise yourself, do well and stay in in the enlisted ranks, while obtaining college degree and advanced degrees through Tuition Assistance and the many distance learning or on-base college facilities. Patience is key, and it can be done. Or, go to college, then see what options are available to you. You may decide on a civilian career and join the Guard or Reserve as an enlisted member.

Flexibility and adaptivity in the face of change are key professional military traits. You thought you were doing USNA or NROTC, college and military and officer commission all in a tidy 4-year bundle. This may not be your path. The power is in your hands to find out what's possible, figure out what you want, and go after it.
 

nico98

Member
@nico98 I realize this is frustrating, to have paths apparently cut off.

See this link - it's accession standards.
http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmotc/nami/arwg/Documents/WaiverGuide/DODI_6130.03_JUL12.pdf

The Services may choose to waive certain DQs for different reasons, all mission-related. Within a Service, officers, because of certain roles only they fill, may not get waivers, while enlisted personnel may. There are reasons that underlie these decisions, and the Services have been making them a long time.

If officer paths are closed to you, and service is paramount to you, enlist, serve long enough to get full GI Bill benefit, and join the thousands of veterans on college campuses today. Or, surprise yourself, do well and stay in in the enlisted ranks, while obtaining college degree and advanced degrees through Tuition Assistance and the many distance learning or on-base college facilities. Patience is key, and it can be done. Or, go to college, then see what options are available to you. You may decide on a civilian career and join the Guard or Reserve as an enlisted member.

Flexibility and adaptivity in the face of change are key professional military traits. You thought you were doing USNA or NROTC, college and military and officer commission all in a tidy 4-year bundle. This may not be your path. The power is in your hands to find out what's possible, figure out what you want, and go after it.
Thank you,
I do have pre-paid college and I have been accepted by USF in Tampa going for Biology degree.
My numbers from Audiology are 15 points higher on 1k, 2k and 3k... My question is.. Could i get a waiver with those numbers compared to the limit even as enlisted? Thank you
 

Capt MJ

10-Year Member
Thank you,
I do have pre-paid college and I have been accepted by USF in Tampa going for Biology degree.
My numbers from Audiology are 15 points higher on 1k, 2k and 3k... My question is.. Could i get a waiver with those numbers compared to the limit even as enlisted? Thank you
Only the waiver authority for the Service can give you that answer with any official weight. Waiver standards and numbers of waivers given each year may vary due to needs of the Service. Some conditions are never waived.

SAF is primarily for officer accession discussions, so there may only be a slim chance anyone will post with knowledge of a similar situation and impact on enlisting.

Do some thinking about what is most important to you right now. Take the long view - you will not be teetering at grave's edge later on in your twenties if you start education or service then.
 
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