Discharged DADT Cadet escorts Lady Gaga to VMA's in INDIA WHITES

[scoutpilot]

They do indeed receive DD-214s. Also, better stay awake at the next Veterans benefits briefing. They are considered veterans and do get benefits commensurate with their time at the Academy.

I'm not old enough to be snoozing in the daytime,

What, pray tell, are the benefits they are entitled to receive after two years of free college?

 

[kp2001]

kp2001 - we agreed that USMMA cadets do not receive a DD-214.
Cadets who resign from other Service Academies - USMA, USNA, USAFA, USCGA receive DD-214.
As this cadet resigned voluntarily she would have received an Honorable discharge.
I have never read of a case where a service member was forcibly separated by DADT and did NOT receive an Honorable discharge. Perhaps someone can find such a case.

Luigi, you are correct.

Ah, there ya go. Thanks for the clarification.

I guess that makes sense considering the cadets are considered to be on active duty during their time there.

 

[Mongo]

I'm not old enough to be snoozing in the daytime,

What, pray tell, are the benefits they are entitled to receive after two years of free college?

I think pretty much all of them that they meet the time requirements for? Educational benefits are on again-off again depending upon which rendition of the GI Bill is in effect. I think the Post 9/11 one includes cadets/mids but it is something I saw in passing a while back, so you better check on it.

But burial, health, home loans, etc does not disclude cadets/mids.

They are also more than likely eligible for state veterans benefits. Remember the stink a few years back when a few CGA cadets discharged for honor violations walked across the street and took advantage of Conn's free college tuition for veterans program?

 

[scoutpilot]

I think pretty much all of them that they meet the time requirements for? Educational benefits are on again-off again depending upon which rendition of the GI Bill is in effect. I think the Post 9/11 one includes cadets/mids but it is something I saw in passing a while back, so you better check on it.

But burial, health, home loans, etc does not disclude cadets/mids.

They are also more than likely eligible for state veterans benefits. Remember the stink a few years back when a few CGA cadets discharged for honor violations walked across the street and took advantage of Conn's free college tuition for veterans program?

[edit: enough, stop with it]

They are not eligible for the GI Bill. Service academy contract periods are specifically excluded from the active duty eligibility timeframe. I see no way that they qualify for health benefits under the eligibility requirements either.

 

[Just_A_Mom]

Apparently wearing the uniform was LEGAL

America's Finest -
read USC title 10 section 772 and Army Reg 670-1

former members of the Army may wear the uniform if they served honorably during a
declared or undeclared war, and if their most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions. Personnel who
qualify under these conditions will wear the Army uniform in the highest grade they held during such war service, in​

accordance with 10 USC 772

 

[scoutpilot]

America's Finest -
read USC title 10 section 772 and Army Reg 670-1

FYI the Army defines wartime service as service in the theater of war, not simply being in the Army while a war occurred. Hence the "combat patch" is actually called the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia, Former Wartime Service (SSI-FWS), per AR 670-1

She did not serve in wartime, by regs.

 

[Christcorp]

Can't believe that some people are actually making her sound like she's some kind of hero. She is simply a person who could not live by military standards. She didn't even make it to commitment at the 3 year point. No problem, move on. Whether she can legally wear a military/cadet uniform or not, she cheapens and disgraces the service and commitment that active/graduated cadets and military members have given. She holds the military in contempt and I have no respect for her whatsoever.

There are plenty of ex-cadets who don't make it to commitment. They have decided that military life just isn't for them. I can respect that. I appreciate that they tried. No matter how much we try and prepare new applicants/cadets for military life, there's no way for them to know exactly what they are getting into, until they are there. There's no disgrace in realizing it isn't for you. But when you apply, accept, and enter the academy under full understanding what the rules are; decide you don't like the rules; stay in until the very last possible minute to obtain as much benefit as you can receive; and then turn your departure into a media dog and pony show; that shows that that person has no respect for the academy, the military, or the other men/women who are/were serving.

 

[AF6872]

Yeah but that was Connecticut College, not your bastion of middle of the road thinking although they have a realy nice Hockey Rink. If it was today they would probably all be given a Yale scholarship as the current EX Mid was. That Scholarship was from what department???

 

[Pima]

CC I agree, it was a disgrace and dishonor to the uniform and those who wear it. End of subject.

I do wonder if she had any doubts of wearing it. She reminds me of any kid. That is what she is. At 20, 21, 22, 23, etc., you are positive you understand the world and their injustices, only to hit 28, 29, 30, etc and say OH CRAP, I KNEW NOTHING, BUT HAD A BIG MOUTH, I THINK I'LL TEMPER MYSELF!

 

[AF6872]

Lady Ga Ga's entrance with the DADT representatives. And the PC correct crowd display that they are better than we the proletariat. They show their "compassion" for the "oppressed" of the moment and then can feel superior to we uninformed Trolls. While they increase the bank account.

 

[WAMom68]

Katie Miller’s own words:

"It was a big decision to wear the uniform," Miller said. "You're not supposed to be in uniform at anything that could be perceived as a political event."

From:
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100914/NEWS/9140322/-1/SITEMAP

 

[BR2011]

I don't blame her. If you are trying to make a social change as big as gay rights is right now you may have to break the rules and do things that the majority doesn't approve of. Women did it, MLK did it, Ghandi did it and now the gay rights activists are doing it. Standing up for what you believe in the face of a majority opposition is an admirable act.

I just don't understand the irrational malice that people take towards those that are different than them. I see it in the gay rights issue and the illegal immigrant issue too. Get over yourself and respect people no matter who they are.

And before it comes up, I'm not saying whether what she did is illegal or legal. If it was illegal to wear the uniform then she should be punished by all laws that apply.

 

[Pima]

BR,

I think that is what is being missed in this conversation, nobody gives a rat's arse if she is gay. Nobody cares if she attended the VMA with Lady Gaga to highlight DADT. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality, your post about irrational malice towards homosexuals is unwarranted. It was she who wore the uniform!

Nothing more and nothing less!

I actually think you will see the majority of posters from a social standpoint have no issue with homosexuals, but many want to make sure that the DoD does not do a knee jerk reaction when it comes to integration. I honestly, do not believe one poster here thinks it won't happen shortly. JMHPO.

Left, right or indifferent, you want to believe this is a homosexual issue. You made it about sexual orientation. Not us. We have kept to wearing the uniform. Please don't try to divert the thread into DADT, because it really isn't about DADT policy, it is about her wearing the uniform and the reaction to her wearing it from a military standpoint.

I find 2 things interesting from WAMOM

1."It was a big decision to wear the uniform," Miller said. "You're not supposed to be in uniform at anything that could be perceived as a political event."

SO in other words, she knew!

Anyone who wants to defend her from a military standpoint, please try, because I would love to see how you can now defend her when she admitted she knew the facts....please, please, please go for it! Let me cut you off 1st, with it was not a "political event", YEP, but it was a "political statement". In other words you are defending her on splitting a hair, and one that I am positive a PR person for a DADT organization prompted her...look at #2.

2. Her future path

"I'm taking a light course load," she said. "Given the position I'm in right now, and how close we are to getting ('don't ask, don't tell') repealed, my priority right now is on activism and making a difference."

Maybe, I am silly, but I have a funky feeling she doesn't need Yale at all. She is probably already networking her 15 minutes of fame into the activist corporate world.

ABSOLUTELY not wrong in this scenario, just saying she can be very thankful from a financial standpoint DADT existed.

 

[Christcorp]

I don't blame her. If you are trying to make a social change as big as gay rights is right now you may have to break the rules and do things that the majority doesn't approve of. Women did it, MLK did it, Ghandi did it and now the gay rights activists are doing it. Standing up for what you believe in the face of a majority opposition is an admirable act.

I just don't understand the irrational malice that people take towards those that are different than them. I see it in the gay rights issue and the illegal immigrant issue too. Get over yourself and respect people no matter who they are.

And before it comes up, I'm not saying whether what she did is illegal or legal. If it was illegal to wear the uniform then she should be punished by all laws that apply.

Sorry BR2011, but I DON'T and WON'T respect her. And it has NOTHING to do with her being gay. If you don't understand that, then you need to read through ALL the posts similar to this topic on this forum. Matter of fact, there isn't one post condemning her for being gay. So no, some of us don't respect her; but you need to learn WHY. As for illegal immigrants; sorry, but I have no respect for criminals. And every, single, illegal immigrant; WITHOUT EXCEPTION; is a CRIMINAL. They want to come to our country, so the very first thing they do, in their first 1 minute in the country, is to break one of our laws. Yes, I have a LOT of respect for those people. NOT!!!

 

[BR2011]

I disagree PIMA, the fact that she is a homosexual is the underlying thought behind it all. Why else would there be an issue? Actors wear uniforms in movies to promote entertainment and there is never an issue. The thought in everyone's head in this case though is "She's wearing the uniform to promote gay rights!"

 

[BR2011]

Sorry BR2011, but I DON'T and WON'T respect her. And it has NOTHING to do with her being gay. If you don't understand that, then you need to read through ALL the posts similar to this topic on this forum. Matter of fact, there isn't one post condemning her for being gay. So no, some of us don't respect her; but you need to learn WHY. As for illegal immigrants; sorry, but I have no respect for criminals. And every, single, illegal immigrant; WITHOUT EXCEPTION; is a CRIMINAL. They want to come to our country, so the very first thing they do, in their first 1 minute in the country, is to break one of our laws. Yes, I have a LOT of respect for those people. NOT!!!

that thinking is exactly the irrationality that I'm talking about. No illegal immigrant comes to the United States with the desire to cause trouble and break laws. They come from the worst situations imaginable and they want to live a good life. I agree that we can't necessarily take them all in but we can at least acknowledge that they are people like us who are just seeking a better life.

 

[scoutpilot]

And before it comes up, I'm not saying whether what she did is illegal or legal. If it was illegal to wear the uniform then she should be punished by all laws that apply.

Kind of like people who violate our borders?

 

[futureAFA]

I disagree PIMA, the fact that she is a homosexual is the underlying thought behind it all. Why else would there be an issue? Actors wear uniforms in movies to promote entertainment and there is never an issue. The thought in everyone's head in this case though is "She's wearing the uniform to promote gay rights!"

But it’s a REAL uniform, that was meant to be in the REAL military. An actor has an obviously fake one, not meant to make a political statement. So many people would do almost anything just to get in that uniform and wear it with pride, me being one of them (except Air Force Academy instead in my personal case). There are better ways to promote her cause. MLK never dishonored, the uniformed men and women who have died for the country we live in. And if she had the intent of doing something “rebellious” to make a statement, at least do something that won’t dishonor the men and women overseas. DADT probably will be repealed soon, and I will support that, but in a way that will support ALL of the armed forces, not just the gays.

I also have nothing wrong with gays, my best friend is bi, and I have no issue with that.

 

[Pima]

I disagree PIMA, the fact that she is a homosexual is the underlying thought behind it all. Why else would there be an issue? Actors wear uniforms in movies to promote entertainment and there is never an issue. The thought in everyone's head in this case though is "She's wearing the uniform to promote gay rights!"

HOLY CRAP BATMAN! Are you really saying that military members should be compared to actors in MOVIES wearing costumes to promote the military?

Have you missed every post that this is NOT ABOUT DADT, but about the UNIFORM? The honor that goes with wearing it?

I also love the throwing in the illegal immigrant issue into the mix...how did you manage that one?

You have stated you homosexual in a previous post. I am for the repeal of DADT, and for homosexual unions, BUT THIS IS A SERVICE FORUM, currently, that our govts reg. is DADT.

I now politely ask why are you on this forum? Are you here to be informed, to part wisdom, to ask questions? Are you here to be a troll and create angst without understanding the military perception regarding protocol, regulations and law? Is it all about DADT to you, or do you really want to impart wisdom or receive guidance regarding the military?

 

[BR2011]

Kind of like people who violate our borders?

I'm not at all advocating that breaking the law go unpunished. I probably have the same opinion as most people here. Illegal immigrants should not be allowed in and the ones who are caught should be sent back. All I'm saying is don't paint these people as evil. They aren't coming here with the intent of harming Americans. They are people like us who are trying to better their horrible situation in the only they can probably think of.

The thought should be "Sorry, I understand your life is hard but we can't allow everyone in the country"

As opposed to "You are a dirty criminal go back to your country"

Realize they are humans too.