Discharged from AFROTC - can you still wear uniform?

[WannaBeOfficer]

@hotwheelsearl: What AS year are/were you? From looking at your previous post it appears you were in the process of being medically DQ'd. You did mention FT so I was just curious as to what year you were.

 

[hotwheelsearl]

Hahahaha

This is great. Well, actually, it's not, but it's entertaining.

I came here for help and to be helped, not for this toxic environment. I was expecting healing, but I came away with cancer. But, hey, at least somebody finds this entertaining! Glad I could contribute to the war effort.

 

[hotwheelsearl]

@hotwheelsearl: What AS year are/were you? From looking at your previous post it appears you were in the process of being medically DQ'd. You did mention FT so I was just curious as to what year you were.

I am currently an AS200. I was slated to attend Field Training, Max 3. The medical DQ has yet to officially begin; I am currently gathering information and details to ensure that the DQ process moves along smoothly and I do not end up penalized.
I am hoping that somebody can help me out, instead of attacking me like our dear "Pima".

 

[WannaBeOfficer]

I'm am confused as to how you are gathering information. Are you getting a remedial? Because once you are DQ'd you are DQ'd and you either quit or get a waiver. Were you on scholarship? And was it HS scholarship or an ICSP?

 

[-Bull-]

Hahahaha

This is great. Well, actually, it's not, but it's entertaining.

I came here for help and to be helped, not for this toxic environment. I was expecting healing, but I came away with cancer. But, hey, at least somebody finds this entertaining! Glad I could contribute to the war effort.

You got your answer. Accept it and drive on. You're not a veteran, you're not a discharged or retired Airman, you were in AFROTC for a couple years and were separated for whatever reason I don't really care enough to ask or search prior posts for. If that's healing, then call me the medicine man, but I really don't care.

You can't be surprised on the responses you got, go re read just how ridiculous they are. Lighten up, if Pima pushes your buttons you're in for an interesting ride if you ever find a way into the military, even in the Air Force

 

[hotwheelsearl]

Hahahaha

This is great. Well, actually, it's not, but it's entertaining.

I came here for help and to be helped, not for this toxic environment. I was expecting healing, but I came away with cancer. But, hey, at least somebody finds this entertaining! Glad I could contribute to the war effort.

You got your answer. Accept it and drive on. You're not a veteran, you're not a discharged or retired Airman, you were in AFROTC for a couple years and were separated for whatever reason I don't really care enough to ask or search prior posts for. If that's healing, then call me the medicine man, but I really don't care.

You can't be surprised on the responses you got, go re read just how ridiculous they are. Lighten up, if Pima pushes your buttons you're in for an interesting ride if you ever find a way into the military, even in the Air Force

Message heard, understood and acknowledged. I am now aware of relevant details and can relay to fellow cadets who were wondering the same thing.
Sometimes I do start to rage, but as long as I know the rules then I'm usually ok. Thanks.

 

[hotwheelsearl]

I'm am confused as to how you are gathering information. Are you getting a remedial? Because once you are DQ'd you are DQ'd and you either quit or get a waiver. Were you on scholarship? And was it HS scholarship or an ICSP?

I'm gatering intel mostly by asking around, studying regs, and posting on other forums. I received a HS scholarship. Once I am DQ'd I am seeking to quit altogether and focus on not dying. I've been exhibiting symptoms of pre-heart attack, apparently, and simply put I don't want to put myself in danger. Not trying to be a sissy, but some things are too serious to be overlooked. Do you have any advice or information that may be relevant to my case? Thanks!

 

[WannaBeOfficer]

I am confused as to what you mean by 'once I am DQ'd'. You either reported the issue to them, and they DQ'd you and you are trying to get a waiver. Or they requested remedials from you, and you are seeing more doctors. From what you're saying, you have not told them about the issue yet. And it sounds to me like this could have been a pre-existing condition that you knew about and decided to hide. You had an HS scholarship, so you got the full DoDMerb workup 2 years ago, how did a heart condition spring up in n 18-20+ year old who was working out on a regular basis?

I had to get a medical waiver for an issue I was Dq'd for, albeit, mine was abnormal, (I was told my waiver was one of the fastest granted in years). But you don't usually wait to be DQ'd. Especially when you are about to go to FT. I know we had to report ANY injury/illness right away. And, we took PFA's, which I think your heart condition would have had an impact on even a little bit. Unless you are saying this is an acute condition that just sprang up in the last few months.

can you please clarify?

 

[Sled]

Hahahaha

This is great. Well, actually, it's not, but it's entertaining.

I know! I've just been lurking here in the background. haha

 

[Pima]

@hotwheelsearl: What AS year are/were you? From looking at your previous post it appears you were in the process of being medically DQ'd. You did mention FT so I was just curious as to what year you were.

I am currently an AS200. I was slated to attend Field Training, Max 3. The medical DQ has yet to officially begin; I am currently gathering information and details to ensure that the DQ process moves along smoothly and I do not end up penalized.
I am hoping that somebody can help me out, instead of attacking me like our dear "Pima".

Let me get this right...you are mad at me, but not everyone else that thought wearing a military uniform was wrong as a cadet disenrolled?

Hey no problem. I have thick skin.

You want to succeed in the military, than you need to realize I was sweet and kind. Just saying if my harsh comments bother you, just wait to you are at UPT and the IPs tell you that their dog could fly a plane better than you! Believe it or not I am sweet and kind.

You are suppose to go to Max3, but medically you are not qualed. Do you or do you not have orders in hand for Max3 from your det.?

I don't have a bone in this fight, but I am going to guess Max3 is reporting in mid/end of June. If I am correct than you are against the wall. You are DQd. You need a waiver. The can I wear the uniform, says to me you don't expect the waiver.

Hate me...heck yes, but if you want this life, than don't infer Pima is a beaaacccchhh. Prove me wrong. That is what the AF wants from their officers. Don't use me as a defense for your argument. Fight for yourself. Prove yourself and say instead of dear old Pima...Screw Pima I deserve this and here is why!

Show me one post where you fought for yourself.

 

[nick4060]

Since you are contracted in the AF Reserves, doesn't that mean that you can wear your uniform after your "retirement", like any normal retired guy would be able to?

I really hope you are a standard troll. If not, its kind of disturbing that there are ex-ROTC cadets out there who consider themselves retired military service members.

 

[hotwheelsearl]

I am confused as to what you mean by 'once I am DQ'd'. You either reported the issue to them, and they DQ'd you and you are trying to get a waiver. Or they requested remedials from you, and you are seeing more doctors. From what you're saying, you have not told them about the issue yet. And it sounds to me like this could have been a pre-existing condition that you knew about and decided to hide. You had an HS scholarship, so you got the full DoDMerb workup 2 years ago, how did a heart condition spring up in n 18-20+ year old who was working out on a regular basis?

I had to get a medical waiver for an issue I was Dq'd for, albeit, mine was abnormal, (I was told my waiver was one of the fastest granted in years). But you don't usually wait to be DQ'd. Especially when you are about to go to FT. I know we had to report ANY injury/illness right away. And, we took PFA's, which I think your heart condition would have had an impact on even a little bit. Unless you are saying this is an acute condition that just sprang up in the last few months.

can you please clarify?

I first experienced an anomaly in January, which went away for about two months so figured it was nothing. Then it happened on and off randomly, for a while. It was not impacting my physical performance, as I would feel fine by the next day, so I was fine during PT and for PFAs. Within the last month, things got bad (multiple episodes within one day, chest tightness and pain) so I finally decided that it wasn't about to go away so I went to get checked up.
How did I come down with this? That's the million dollar question. Doc is perplexed how a seemingly healthy 19 year old gets stuff like this, and I honestly do not know. I know the timing is not ideal, but I'm trying to get medical DQ now, so I don't end up going to field training for a week and being forced to leave.

 

[hotwheelsearl]

Since you are contracted in the AF Reserves, doesn't that mean that you can wear your uniform after your "retirement", like any normal retired guy would be able to?

I really hope you are a standard troll. If not, its kind of disturbing that there are ex-ROTC cadets out there who consider themselves retired military service members.

A cadet friend and I were shooting the breeze and the topic came up. Neither of us really have any idea what the rank on your ID card actually means in real life. Does it mean you are a veteran if you leave? Does it mean you automatically achieve that rank of you end up enlisting?
The question is even more confusing when other cadets my same year have ID ranks of E-1, and E-3. And how some Army ROTC cadets have ranks of up to E-4. This weird rank system prompted the question of uniform wear after discharge. I thank everyone on the forum for clearing things up for us.

 

[WannaBeOfficer]

My question still wasn't answered. There is no trying to get medically DQ'd. You tell your commander or whatever cadre member is in charge of your dodmerb records about the change in your status. They put it in, and HQ tells them that you are either cleared, or Dq'd. should you be DQ'd you have three options:

1. Ask for a waiver. (Or for mild illnesses, one is automatically given to you)
2. They will give you a remedial and clear you of your DQ
3. You leave

My question to you is, so that you can get the correct info on what to do next, is did you report your illness? If you did, there is NO way in hell they are going to let you go to FT with 'heart-attack' like symptoms. If you didn't, you need to tell them, before you go there waste time, and possibly hurt yourself.

 

[Pima]

Hahahaha

This is great. Well, actually, it's not, but it's entertaining.

I came here for help and to be helped, not for this toxic environment. I was expecting healing, but I came away with cancer. But, hey, at least somebody finds this entertaining! Glad I could contribute to the war effort.

You got your answer. Accept it and drive on. You're not a veteran, you're not a discharged or retired Airman, you were in AFROTC for a couple years and were separated for whatever reason I don't really care enough to ask or search prior posts for. If that's healing, then call me the medicine man, but I really don't care.

You can't be surprised on the responses you got, go re read just how ridiculous they are. Lighten up, if Pima pushes your buttons you're in for an interesting ride if you ever find a way into the military, even in the Air Force

Thank you Bull.

Seriously if a military spouse and Mom ruffled his feathers so bad, can you imagine ADAF life? Crap, I am a flipping wife and I am the mean beaattch. I am the one taken to task. I am LMAO because in the Army I think I would be Santa!

Lets be honest if Scoutpilot saw this thread he would fall over laughing... yep the AF they coddle.

 

[fencersmother]

Fencersmother is very confused. You acquired something resembling a heart condition in January, and now, YOU are TRYING to get a medical disqualification?

Hmmm, most people are trying to keep from being disqualified. And people with cardiac conditions don't get sent to FT, even if it appears to be "minor."

I think something smells a little fishy here.

 

[Pima]

I think the bush has been beat dead. He has to walk his own path.

 

[WannaBeOfficer]

Fencersmother is very confused. You acquired something resembling a heart condition in January, and now, YOU are TRYING to get a medical disqualification?

Hmmm, most people are trying to keep from being disqualified. And people with cardiac conditions don't get sent to FT, even if it appears to be "minor."

I think something smells a little fishy here.

THANK YOU!!!!!! I thought I was the only one that found this weird. You don't 'try' to get DQ'd....

 

[hotwheelsearl]

My question still wasn't answered. There is no trying to get medically DQ'd. You tell your commander or whatever cadre member is in charge of your dodmerb records about the change in your status. They put it in, and HQ tells them that you are either cleared, or Dq'd. should you be DQ'd you have three options:

1. Ask for a waiver. (Or for mild illnesses, one is automatically given to you)
2. They will give you a remedial and clear you of your DQ
3. You leave

My question to you is, so that you can get the correct info on what to do next, is did you report your illness? If you did, there is NO way in hell they are going to let you go to FT with 'heart-attack' like symptoms. If you didn't, you need to tell them, before you go there waste time, and possibly hurt yourself.

Thank you for your information. I was under the impression that you somehow had to "apply" for a medical DQ, or build a case or something like that. I was not aware that bit was an automatic thing.
I just reported the illness today, but the doctors note apparently was not "detailed enough" to be put on MRS. (it simply said, no physical exertion until seen by a cardiologist). However, I am exempt from PT now. I'm not entirely sure how MRS works either, as I have not been placed on it yet.

I'm going to another doctor this weekend and am also requesting a more detailed statement from the current doctor to give to the cadre.

Thank you for clarifying things. I'm sorry if I am still misunderstanding your question.

 

[fencersmother]

and PIMA is right: if she is getting you all bothered, I'm thinking a military lifestyle doesn't suit you.