Disenrollment during 2nd or 1st class year

46 CFR 310.58


(a) The service obligation contract shall obligate each midshipman who is a citizen and who executes or reexecutes a service obligation contract to:

(1) Complete the course of instruction at the Academy;
(2) Fulfill the requirements for a license as an officer in the merchant marine of the United States on or before the date of graduation from the Academy;
(3) Maintain a license as an officer in the merchant marine of the United States for at least six (6) years following the date of graduation from the Academy accompanied by the appropriate national and international endorsements and certifications as required by the United States Coast Guard for service aboard vessels on both domestic and international voyages (“appropriate” means the same endorsements and certifications held at the date of graduation, or the equivalent);
(4) Apply for an appointment as, accept any tendered appointment as and serve as a commissioned officer in the USNR (including the Merchant Marine Reserve, USNR), the United States Coast Guard Reserve, or any other Reserve component of an armed force of the United States for at least six (6) years following the date of graduation from the Academy;
(5) Serve in the foreign or domestic commerce and the national defense of the United States for at least five (5) years following the date of graduation from the Academy:
(6) Submit periodic reports to the Administration to establish compliance with all the terms of the contract.


(e)Breach of contract.

(1) Breach before graduation:
(i) If the Maritime Administrator determines that an individual who has attended the Academy for not less than two (2) academic years has failed to complete the course of instruction at the Academy, such individual may be ordered by the Secretary of Defense to active duty in one of the Armed Forces of the United States to serve for a period of time not to exceed two (2) years. In cases of hardship, as determined by the Maritime Administrator, the Maritime Administrator may waive this provision in whole or in part.
(ii) If the Secretary of Defense is unable or unwilling to order an individual to active duty under the previous paragraph, or if the Maritime Administrator determines that reimbursement of the Cost of Education Provided by the Federal Government would better serve the interests of the United States, the Maritime Administrator may recover from the individual the Cost of Education Provided by the Federal Government.
(iii) For purposes of paragraph (e)(1)(i) of this section, an “academic year” is defined as the completion by a student of a total of three (3) trimesters, whether at the Academy or at sea. Thus, liability under paragraph (e)(1)(i) of this section begins for students when they begin their seventh (7th) trimester, whether at the Academy or at sea.

I see nothing about on whose volition the separation occurs. That apparently is up to the discretion of the Maritime Administrator.

Interestingly …

(2) Breach after graduation:
(i) If the Maritime Administrator determines that an individual has failed to fulfill any part of the service obligation contract (described in §310.58(a)), such individual may be ordered to active duty to serve a period of time not less than three (3) years and not more than the unexpired portion of the service obligation contract relating to service in the foreign or domestic commerce or the national defense, as determined by the Maritime Administrator.

… so in theory, you could end up on active duty or getting a bill just for not submitting your annual reports. Not to say they would, but it is so stated in the CFR.
 
Let me get this straight ... you are considering a state school to not have to do the PRT? You are willing to pay $100K to not have to 50 push ups, twice a year for four years? 100,000/400 = 250 $/pushup

Thank you for all of your insight and assistance @KPEngineer , very much appreciated.

But the choice of a maritime academy, which would cost me $60k over 3 years (I already have a year of college) and the Merchant Academy isn't as simple as $60k over 50 pushups.

It's is there a better chance of me graduating and earning my USCGA license by attending a state academy? What are the risks of being kicked out and wasting more time, disappointing my parents even further than I have already disappointed them, being subject to a possible repayment of funds that will easily exceed $125-135k when I'm starting out as physically deficient right from the outset. This here is what I have to weigh.

My decision thus far is to attend the USMMA. I've been making physical fitness progress every day. But if I end up too deficient right before indoctrination I might have to reconsider.

I doubt the academics (at least first year) will be an issue because I've already taken calc, physics, and chem at a fairly prestigious university, The University of Waterloo (prominent engineering school in Canada).
 
Adam,

If you were admitted they know you can make it. I believe this true of all SAs. Find a workout partner to help push you. Regardless of where you score when you enter, you will score much higher at the end of Indoc. Those scores aren't that high and what seems hard now, won't be later on. Stop worrying about getting kicked out. You have two years to figure out if this is the right school and you know what it takes before you are committed with a payback. If at the end of your sophomore year you have some PT failures then maybe you will want to reconsider. I doubt you will though. I think you will realize that you have what it takes and are now comfortable with the standards. If you do leave at end of two years, most of your stuff will transfer to a state maritime school anyways. Its good you are researching things, but stop doubting yourself. You got in and USMMA thinks you have what it takes. Believe in that and keep pushing yourself daily. Write down daily what you are doing. See the progress. If you can afford it, get with a personal trainer, show him what you are trying to achieve and have them help develop a PT plan. Have them test you every few weeks. If your school has a cross country coach or weight lifting coach get with them and develop plans. Heck the internet is great place to start. Tons of info on how to develop push up and sit up plans. If you stick with it and push yourself, you will be just fine.
 
Thank you for all of your insight and assistance @KPEngineer , very much appreciated.

But the choice of a maritime academy, which would cost me $60k over 3 years (I already have a year of college) and the Merchant Academy isn't as simple as $60k over 50 pushups.

It's is there a better chance of me graduating and earning my USCGA license by attending a state academy? What are the risks of being kicked out and wasting more time, disappointing my parents even further than I have already disappointed them, being subject to a possible repayment of funds that will easily exceed $125-135k when I'm starting out as physically deficient right from the outset. This here is what I have to weigh.

My decision thus far is to attend the USMMA. I've been making physical fitness progress every day. But if I end up too deficient right before indoctrination I might have to reconsider.

I doubt the academics (at least first year) will be an issue because I've already taken calc, physics, and chem at a fairly prestigious university, The University of Waterloo (prominent engineering school in Canada).

Adam,
First, you need to not worry about disappointing your parents. There are only three outcomes: 1) You succeed and all is right in your universe, 2) You fail; they still love you and nothing you do would ever disappoint them, or 3) You fail; they are disappointed, which means that nothing you do would ever be good enough...time to move on. Bottom line is that you need to make decisions based on what is best for you. I have to admit that I am somewhat surprised that you've come this far without seeming interested in the physical aspect of an academy. As a Naval (Reserve) Officer, you have to be the physical fitness standard for others to emulate. However, if you want nothing more than to be a merchant mariner, the state schools (Cal Maritime, SUNY Maritime, etc.) will offer you that chance. But you are the one that has to live with your decision, so you should be the one making it. No matter what you decide, if you work hard, everything will work out. Good luck.
 
Did some good work today guys.

Did about 120 sit ups, including 50 consecutively (upping my max from 40). Did about 150 push-ups, upped my max to 33 consecutively, but my arms were sore. And about 1.5 mi in 10:50.

If I work like this every day it will come I hope.
 
Congrats! Progress is being made. Keep pushing and you will be fine. Those numbers will continue to rise. Remember to stretch a lot also and ensure some rest days are built in. Also make sure you google proper form of Navy sit up and push ups. I am sure there is a video or something out there. Making sure you have proper form is critical. Also make sure you factor in lots of core body exercises. That will help with everything, as your core strengthens, your whole body will get stronger.
 
"To complete the course of instruction at the Academy, unless separated by the Academy;"

Fortunately I have very little first hand knowledge of the separation process and I'd like to keep it that way. My plan is to separate on the 20th of June.

My DS is also planning to separate on June 20th.

It all comes down to Beyond's quote. One of my DS's classmates returned after his first sea year, turned in his sea projects and attend classes. Half way through the fall semester he became anxious about returning to sea. I guess he started talking about leaving and someone mentioned his obligation to pay back. So his answer was to deliberately begin failing all his classes and ended up going home. Another was sent home in January of his 1st class year for failing to redo a failed sea project. As I understand it, you can leave any time without fear of the repayment by simply being patient and waiting for the Academy to request the separation.
 
This whole fitness thing seems a little excessive to me since my goal here is only to sail commercially. 51 push ups is kind of a lot, especially when the vast majority of the population can barely do 5-10.
Its a Service Academy- you have to pass a Fitness Standard. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
 
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If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. That should have/ could have been the answer to AdamKokes first post.
 
If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. That should have/ could have been the answer to AdamKokes first post.

If you could read, I was asking specific questions about repayment of the obligation which were answered....

Read the entire thread before you post nonsense.
 
@beyond @LineInTheSand

Quick question on the Fitness Test

1) are we allowed to go at our own pace during the push up test? I always seem to get more pushups when I do them faster

2) do we start in the rest (flat on the floor) position like in the videos or are we allowed to start from the UP position?
 
1) Each evolution is 2 min. long. You are free to proceed at whatever pace you feel is best for you as long as you can meet the minimum required number for that evolution.
2) I recall always starting in the up position, but I can't say that is the correct answer.
 
If you could read, I was asking specific questions about repayment of the obligation which were answered....

Read the entire thread before you post nonsense.

Adam,

I've already warned you privately about your attitude on this forum. Now I'm warning you publicly. Stop with the belligerent posts or you will no longer be a part of these forums.

Stealth_81
 
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