Do all 10 kids on the slate need to be 3Q before appointments made?

[Overwhelmed]

It's a waiver.

 

[NavyHoops]

That statement is true. If a candidate has an LOA that means they are definitely considered competitive as they are being offered an appointment if they meet the conditions listed. It doesn’t meant those without an LOA won’t be considered, it just means those with an LOA will automatically be considered. USNA will also consider competitive candidates for a waiver, not just those with an LOA.

 

[busdriver]

when it comes to MOC nominations, how do you know if you “won the slate” and what does that actually mean?
Thank you.

 

[NavyHoops]

You technically won’t know. A Mid can find out later on via the registrar’s office. If someone ‘won their slate’ it means they were the candidate chosen off the slate the MOC submitted by USNA.

 

[kinnem]

when it comes to MOC nominations, how do you know if you “won the slate” and what does that actually mean?
Thank you.

Uhhhh.... you get an appointment. Same answer to both questions. Actually, NavyHoops is technically correct in that you can find out where your appointment was charged, but who cares? You got the appointment! Does it matter which slate you were selected from?

 

[BuckeyeRN]

when it comes to MOC nominations, how do you know if you “won the slate” and what does that actually mean?
Thank you.

Uhhhh.... you get an appointment. Same answer to both questions. Actually, NavyHoops is technically correct in that you can find out where your appointment was charged, but who cares? You got the appointment! Does it matter which slate you were selected from?

when it comes to MOC nominations, how do you know if you “won the slate” and what does that actually mean?
Thank you.

My DS MOC called and told him he was 1st on his slate. My DS has been DQ’d due to headaches. DS emailed a rebuttal and our family physician has also sent a letter explaining that DS does not have headaches that interrupt his daily life. Waiting for a waiver now. I’ve heard some people get waivers, some don’t. It’s just a waiting game now.......long sigh.

 

[Hashbrowns and eggs]

You technically won’t know. A Mid can find out later on via the registrar’s office. If someone ‘won their slate’ it means they were the candidate chosen off the slate the MOC submitted by USNA.

And if you don't win the slate? What do your options look like from there?

 

[THParent]

So hypothetical question as my dad....thinks that appointment for a MOC slate will not be given until all 10 candidates on said MOC slate are 3Q with no waivers or anything else outstanding...

Back to that original question.
I don't know this to be true, but I suspect - with a great deal of confidence - that Members of Congress have NO IDEA as to whether or not a candidate is 3Q when they review their application for a nomination.
I suspect this because adding an additional tier of responsibility and busy work onto the Admissions staff (who are already managing data on approximately 3,000 3Q applicants plus an additional 500 or so who will attain 3Q status before or after the January 31st application deadline) doesn't seem like a good idea. I suppose that they could send this list to all 535 MOCs, but I don't think that they do.

My reasoning is that USNA is very restrictive about letting out information as to whether or not a candidate is 3Q. If all the MOCs had the list, I can guarantee that many of the 2,000 or so 3Q applicants with a nomination that USNA turns away ever year, would hear from their MOC's staff "Yes, you were 3Q" if they asked. Most MOC's have a nomination staff of at least five (5) people if not more. That many people having access to that information would leak like a sieve, but you do NOT hear about USNA candidates (here at SAF forums, or anywhere else on the Internet) saying that they were told they were 3Q. You just don't.

The preceding is both opinion and conjecture.

 

[usna1985]

My DS MOC called and told him he was 1st on his slate. My DS has been DQ’d due to headaches. DS emailed a rebuttal and our family physician has also sent a letter explaining that DS does not have headaches that interrupt his daily life. Waiting for a waiver now. I’ve heard some people get waivers, some don’t.

First of all, the fact that your DS was "first" on the MOC's slate matters only if your MOC uses the principal nomination method. If the MOC submits a competitive slate, USNA decides who wins the slate; the MOC's "ranking" (if any) is irrelevant. It may be that the MOC considered your DS to be the best qualified of his 10 nominees but, again, absent the principal designation, it really only serves to make you feel better. Also, I would be very surprised if USNA has told the MOC who has won the slate, until that person is actually selected for an appointment, including clearing medical.

Second, WRT the DQ, I assume that the information you submitted is what was requested by DODMERB and/or USNA. You're right that some folks get waivers and some don't. In some cases, the determination is based on the medical condition itself (some conditions are much less likely to be waived than others). In other cases, it depends on the candidate -- if USNA really wants someone, almost any medical condition can be waived. Finally, it depends on how many waivers are being granted that impact service selection. USNA can't have too many entering plebes not able to select unrestricted line upon graduation. So lots of factors -- some within your control, some not.

 

[NavyHoops]

And if you don't win the slate? What do your options look like from there?

If you don’t win your slate you go to the National Pool. You must have a nom to move here. USNA will appoint the top 150 by WCS off this list. After that USNA can appoint anyone off this list to round out a class how they wish and how many slots they have left.

 

[A1Janitor]

And if you don't win the slate? What do your options look like from there?

If you don’t win your slate you go to the National Pool. You must have a nom to move here. USNA will appoint the top 150 by WCS off this list. After that USNA can appoint anyone off this list to round out a class how they wish and how many slots they have left.

Are the LOAs in the top 150 of WCS?

 

[NavyHoops]

They could be. It all depends on how they slate their nom and what their WCS. There are lots of coulds, ifs and maybes to all these answers. We also will never know someone’s WCS and if we do we don’t know it in reference to everyone else. A lot of it depends on how the nom group slates someone. And where they start in this process and where they get charged could change. We don’t have concrete answers to a lot of this because we don’t know what is happening. We know the rules, but it all depends on where someone gets charged.

 

[justdoit19]

I have posted this before regarding LOA’s. BC I was looking at them I believe similarly to many people. That they are a ticket for highly desirable people. Meaning that if one DOESNT receive an LOA, they are not as desirable. For lack of a better word. I think people put too much emphasis or weight on an LOA. ALL it means is “we have closed you, and you have something to do before you receive a full unconditional offer of appointment”. I get that it feels good and gives confidence, but I think people tend to put too much weight into what it means.

Admissions may offer an LOA early on, or not. In DS’s case, he did technically receive an LOA as it was worded that he had an ‘offer pending xxx’ on his portal. Last year I added him to the list accordingly. In his case, his item was resolved in a week. So he had an LOA for a week. Some items will be more difficult to resolve: nom’s, waivers, etc.

My point is the LOA isn’t really the big deal. The appointment is. And I certainly don’t think DS’s LOA really meant anything other than ‘we need that form completed before you get that offer’. To me it’s like holding a spot in line for someone to run and get their billfold to pay for something. If you don’t get back to the line in time with your money, you lose your spot.

I’m a mom who went through this last year. I have only my own observations and experiences.

 

[brewmeist]

I have posted this before regarding LOA’s. BC I was looking at them I believe similarly to many people. That they are a ticket for highly desirable people. Meaning that if one DOESNT receive an LOA, they are not as desirable. For lack of a better word. I think people put too much emphasis or weight on an LOA. ALL it means is “we have closed you, and you have something to do before you receive a full unconditional offer of appointment”. I get that it feels good and gives confidence, but I think people tend to put too much weight into what it means.

Admissions may offer an LOA early on, or not. In DS’s case, he did technically receive an LOA as it was worded that he had an ‘offer pending xxx’ on his portal. Last year I added him to the list accordingly. In his case, his item was resolved in a week. So he had an LOA for a week. Some items will be more difficult to resolve: nom’s, waivers, etc.

My point is the LOA isn’t really the big deal. The appointment is. And I certainly don’t think DS’s LOA really meant anything other than ‘we need that form completed before you get that offer’. To me it’s like holding a spot in line for someone to run and get their billfold to pay for something. If you don’t get back to the line in time with your money, you lose your spot.

I’m a mom who went through this last year. I have only my own observations and experiences.

My son is going through this right now. He received an LOA the first week of September. He had already passed his CFA and DODMERB during the summer. All he needed was a nomination, which he earned in December. Here it is, 5 months after receiving the LOA and a month after getting the nomination, but he has not received an appointment yet. We are confident it may be due to shuffling things around to see what slate he will be a part of, but the reality is, he has not been granted an appointment offer. LOAs are great and a confidence booster (at first), but they are not an appointment.

Ironically, he used this situation in a homework assignment last week. The topic was about today vs the old days. Today is a great time to live with all the technology we have. But it can be a double-edged sword. With these portals, kids have access to information that I never had when I was in HS. I applied to college in writing. I mailed my applications out, and waited for a response. I didn't know any better about my status and didn't have many sleepless nights. Today's kids have access to so much more information, but is it all a good thing?

 

[justdoit19]

I suspect this is "busy season" for admissions. And the LOA being the receipt of a nomination puts your DS right into the busiest time. So I bet you receive good news any day now! Another thing is that USNA typically notifies the MOC about a week before they roll over in the portal. Some MOC's notify their candidates, some don't (ours didn't...). So one could have the offer without knowing it yet for a time. I'm watching for 'ya!!

 

[usna1985]

Today is a great time to live with all the technology we have. But it can be a double-edged sword. With these portals, kids have access to information that I never had when I was in HS. I applied to college in writing.

You make an excellent point. And not just kids, but their parents. When I applied, there was no STEM or NASS. There were no LOAs. No parents groups. No sites like this. No usna.edu. Heck, no internet.

We understood the basics of the process -- apply, qualify medically, pass the CFA (or whatever it was called at the time), get a nom. Then wait for something to show up in the mailbox. We had no clue about charging, the national pool, principal vs. competitive slates, and so on. Knowledge is power and more knowledge is usually a good thing. But sometimes, it can drive you nuts!

 

[ders_dad]

My son never checks his portal unless we ask about it (about once every couple of weeks). He lost his password for a while. Same with his Plan B schools. He's been on this forum twice (and never posted). He says things will turn out whatever way they turn out and he'll deal with it then. He doesn't have a Facebook page, never Tweeted, and never been on instagram. He goes to Reddit to read snarky comments about his favorite NFL team to "hate on". Same with his three brothers. I read about the plugged-in generation but I don't see it at home. IMHO, they lead much less stressful lives for doing it this way.

 

[NavyHoops]

Agree, it was the same process today, but all done via mail. You were oblivious to everything going on except when someone called or sent a letter. This process is very long and complicated and although the initial answer is a yes/no in many cases the process flow to all those is crazy long on all the scenarios. Bottom line for those with an LOA... complete all the items and it will happen. If one of those items is a medical waiver... well there is less control on that one. It’s a sit and wait unless more info is requested. Waivers can go quick or take a long time to process. Sometimes it’s a matter of clarifying info, or waiting for a timeframe to pass (such as x amount of days lost surgery), or even USNA only likes to waive X amount with that condition. It’s a busy season in admissions right now. They have NASS apps now on top of 2023 admissions. Things don’t happen over night in most cases. Take a deep breathe and try to enjoy your senior year.

 

[runnergirljem]

Agree, it was the same process today, but all done via mail. You were oblivious to everything going on except when someone called or sent a letter. This process is very long and complicated and although the initial answer is a yes/no in many cases the process flow to all those is crazy long on all the scenarios. Bottom line for those with an LOA... complete all the items and it will happen. If one of those items is a medical waiver... well there is less control on that one. It’s a sit and wait unless more info is requested. Waivers can go quick or take a long time to process. Sometimes it’s a matter of clarifying info, or waiting for a timeframe to pass (such as x amount of days lost surgery), or even USNA only likes to waive X amount with that condition. It’s a busy season in admissions right now. They have NASS apps now on top of 2023 admissions. Things don’t happen over night in most cases. Take a deep breathe and try to enjoy your senior year.

And if you don't win the slate? What do your options look like from there?

If you don’t win your slate you go to the National Pool. You must have a nom to move here. USNA will appoint the top 150 by WCS off this list. After that USNA can appoint anyone off this list to round out a class how they wish and how many slots they have left.

So if you get a 3Q’d letter are you in the national pool of 150 or is it a separate national pool until all the nominations come in? My last senator hasn’t even announced his slat yet so you can’t possibly have a winner yet.

 

[runnergirljem]

Agree, it was the same process today, but all done via mail. You were oblivious to everything going on except when someone called or sent a letter. This process is very long and complicated and although the initial answer is a yes/no in many cases the process flow to all those is crazy long on all the scenarios. Bottom line for those with an LOA... complete all the items and it will happen. If one of those items is a medical waiver... well there is less control on that one. It’s a sit and wait unless more info is requested. Waivers can go quick or take a long time to process. Sometimes it’s a matter of clarifying info, or waiting for a timeframe to pass (such as x amount of days lost surgery), or even USNA only likes to waive X amount with that condition. It’s a busy season in admissions right now. They have NASS apps now on top of 2023 admissions. Things don’t happen over night in most cases. Take a deep breathe and try to enjoy your senior year.

And if you don't win the slate? What do your options look like from there?

If you don’t win your slate you go to the National Pool. You must have a nom to move here. USNA will appoint the top 150 by WCS off this list. After that USNA can appoint anyone off this list to round out a class how they wish and how many slots they have left.

So if you get a 3Q’d letter are you in the national pool of 150 or is it a separate national pool until all the nominations come in? My last senator hasn’t even announced his slat yet so you can’t possibly have a winner yet.

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