Does ROTC require enlisting also?

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BillyDiamond

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Trying to help DD complete the NROTC scholarship and it said to consult with a recruiter first. When we called the recruiter we were told that enlisting would help show commitment. Am I wrong in thinking that if DD enlists, the Navy might not think a scholarship is worth awarding and just expect enlistment right out of high school? Has anyone else enlisted as part of the scholarship process?
 
Liar, Liar, drawers on fire! STOP TALKING TO THIS RECRUITER NOW!

Continue working through the ROTC section here. Plenty of good advice.

Your DD does not need to enlist! Read the scholarship application and ask your questions here.

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After calming down, let me add that an enlisted recruiter has one mission in life - fill slots in the enlisted corps. This is not what your DD wants.
 
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Thank you for the quick reply. The application does say it should be completed with the NROTC contact at the regional office and that's who we called and got assigned to this recruiter. The ASVAB is not required then?
 
If the info shared by the OP is accurate, that recruiter is, in my opinion, nothing more than a bottom-feeder and opportunist of kids who don't know any better.

No.....your kid does not need to enlist, in order to "show commitment."

No.....your kid isn't getting any scholarship "kicker" for enlisting.

Yes.....you should ignore said recruiter like the Great Plague.
 
BillyDiamond said:
Thank you for the quick reply. The application does say it should be completed with the NROTC contact at the regional office and that's who we called and got assigned to this recruiter. The ASVAB is not required then?
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No....ASVAB is not required for ROTC Applications.
 
BillyDiamond said:
Thank you for the quick reply. The application does say it should be completed with the NROTC contact at the regional office and that's who we called and got assigned to this recruiter. The ASVAB is not required then?
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Sounds like maybe there was some crossed signals. Is your DS applying for the NROTC or NROTC-MO Scholarship?
 
ASVAB is a test for enlisted candidates to see where they might do well.

Stand by. Give your post a day or two, and you will get authoritative information from people in the know.
 
BillyDiamond said:
NROTC only
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Ok - When your DS started his application, I am assuming he was assigned a Coordinator. Are you saying that the assigned Coordinator from NETC shuffled him to a recruiter?

Your DS should not need to interact with a recruiter for NROTC. For NROTC-MO, you may have interaction with the local RSS to handle paperwork/PFT. Rest easy, no need to enlist or take the ASVAB. You have found a great resource for info on the NROTC process. Good luck to your son.
 
EEBTTF said:
Ok - When your DS started his application, I am assuming he was assigned a Coordinator. Are you saying that the assigned Coordinator from NETC shuffled him to a recruiter?

Your DS should not need to interact with a recruiter for NROTC. For NROTC-MO, you may have interaction with the local RSS to handle paperwork/PFT. Rest easy, no need to enlist or take the ASVAB. You have found a great resource for info on the NROTC process. Good luck to your son.
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Our region required my DS to talk to the local recruiter to review his application prior to submitting in 2017. Made no sense to me because the recruiter knew nothing. Thankfully it was not one saying to enlist but still was pointless…
 
jaglvr said:
Our region required my DS to talk to the local recruiter to review his application prior to submitting in 2017. Made no sense to me because the recruiter knew nothing. Thankfully it was not one saying to enlist but still was pointl
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Could not get my son to fill out the scholarship application in high school, so I'm having to reach back 44 years to when I submitted mine (most likely just one or two things have changed). Seems I did ask a few things of the local enlisted recruiters, but like jaglvr's son found, they knew nothing.
 
The only reason I can think of that you would need a recruiter would be to enlist. This question doesn’t require an answer just food for thought. Does your DD have ROTC worthy scores?
 
Both of my (now Mid) guys applied for ROTC scholarships direct from high school….NROTC and AFROTC. All three boys did it on their own. Didn’t enlist. Didn’t speak to a recruiter. Did them along side their SA applications.

Before submitting, they were reviewed by an NROTC Scholarhip Recruiter (different than a ‘regular recruiter) person who, in BOTH cases, added valuable input to increase their scores. It was the same person each time and she remembered their (unique) last name. Again, she was very helpful in fine tuning their applications. Maybe they just got lucky, idk, but she was awesome (busy, and it all happened in a flurry of last minute activity at the end, but both guys got scholarships on the first board). These were assigned through the application process, people responsible for their geographical area. And their person was the one responsible to submit their final package.

Here is the official link for NROTC Scholarship Recruiters, assigned geographically. He should reach out to his Area Coordinator. BTW, this link was found easily through the NROTC High School Application site, about halfway down, “other useful links -request assistance through Navy Recruiting”. There really is a lot of information on the main page containing the links to the application. He needs to spend some time on the page.


(thanks to @OldAFRet for already linking that..)

Adding: here is the main application page, with lots of links for additional info:


One more addition….I see you are new. You can SEARCH the forums here for already held discussion about a gazillion topics. Dump your query into the search bar and read away! And welcome the the forums!
 
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You do not need to speak to an enlisted recruiter. If you are only interested in an ROTC scholarship, walk away when they start talking about MEPS and ASVAB. Enlisting will actually screw up your chances for a line scholarship on the Army side (probably the other branches as well). They will try to sell you on the "shows commitment" or troops will have "more respect for a prior service enlisted, officer". Don't fall for the BS.

Technically, you do enlist when you contract into ROTC, but you enlist under the ROTC control group. You don't need a recruiter for that, the ROTC program does it.
 
DS had a recent similar experience. Regional ROTC reached out when application opened and suggested a connect before hitting submit. Offered a quick review with feedback to fine tune. Very helpful.
justdoit19 said:
Before submitting, they were reviewed by an NROTC Scholarhip Recruiter (different than a ‘regular recruiter) person who, in BOTH cases, added valuable input to increase their scores. It was the same person each time and she remembered their (unique) last name. Again, she was very helpful in fine tuning their applications. Maybe they just got lucky, idk, but she was awesome (busy, and it all happened in a flurry of last minute activity at the end, but both guys got scholarships on the first board). These were assigned through the application process, people responsible for their geographical area. And their person was the one responsible to submit their final package.
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@BillyDiamond - some Navy command and control (C2) and NROTC scholarship process background.

Two separate 1-star Flag Officer commands involved in the NROTC scholarship selection process. Commander, Naval Service Training Command (CNSTC) owns the NROTC program and the scholarship selection/placement. Commander, Navy Recruiting Command (CNRC) owns the folks who receive, process, and submit the applications to the folks at NSTC. Both Commanders work for Commander, Naval Education and Training Command (CNETC).

The link provided several times above -to Locate a Coordinator - is an NSTC link that will get you to an NRC link.

NRC divides the country into Navy Talent and Acquisition Groups (NTAG), formerly known as Navy Recruiting Districts. Your scholarship application is shepherded by the NTAG that geographically corresponds to the part of the country you live in. At the website for each NTAG there is a typically a link for Contact Us and usually a phone number for the NROTC Coordinator, NROTC recruiter, or any other name they might call it. Regardless of the title, this person works for NRC and not NSTC. The goal of NRC is to make sure the Navy is properly manned. And our workforce is ~80% enlisted.

In searching this forum you'll find many who had difficult experiences with their recruiter/coordinator and some (like @justdoit19) who had great experiences. It should not be hit or miss, but those are the realities. You and your DD will need to be vigilant to ensure her application is being given the attention it deserves and is being properly processed and ultimately submitted to NSTC.

The advice you were given (enlisting shows commitment) is awful. But it is not uncommon for any Navy recruiter (even those whose assigned duty is to process NROTC scholarship applications) to ask if your son/daughter wishes to enlist (in line with ~80% target above). If that's not a consideration for your family, the best answer is that my DD is only interested in NROTC. In my dealings with NROTC scholarship applicants this always seems to end the enlistment conversation and the two sides move forward with the application process.
 
jaglvr said:
Our region required my DS to talk to the local recruiter to review his application prior to submitting in 2017. Made no sense to me because the recruiter knew nothing. Thankfully it was not one saying to enlist but still was pointless…
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Same, we had a regional NROTC Scholarship coordinator but had to take the app to the local recruiter center for a signature. They did nothing but make sure it was complete and signed it.

No attempt to recruit my student. However that could have been because they didnt go alone and i was with them.
 
BillyDiamond said:
Trying to help DD complete the NROTC scholarship and it said to consult with a recruiter first. When we called the recruiter we were told that enlisting would help show commitment. Am I wrong in thinking that if DD enlists, the Navy might not think a scholarship is worth awarding and just expect enlistment right out of high school? Has anyone else enlisted as part of the scholarship process?
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Wow, my son bought that line and enlisted. He went thru MEPS and took the ASVAB. What a waste of time. Don’t ever listen to a recruiter. All they care about is their quota. I don’t believe enlisting had any affect on his scholarship award.
 
NROTCdad said:
Wow, my son bought that line and enlisted. He went thru MEPS and took the ASVAB. What a waste of time. Don’t ever listen to a recruiter. All they care about is their quota. I don’t believe enlisting had any affect on his scholarship award.
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It does not.
 
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