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Bull,

I think that it is a little bit of a leap regarding his mindset.

Again, we don't have the facts, and we are living among assumptions. My guess is this is:

He feels people are jumping on him in a negative way, and he came to this site for assistance. If shoes were changed and you asked what you thought was a simple question, but instead it turned into a discussion you never expected, wouldn't you be a tad bit defensive which could appear now as an attitude?

LP if offered a scholarship, which I think has not occurred yet, he will need guidance in the next few months. As an ROTC cadet which would you prefer on the 1st day...a cadet that has some sort of an idea because he/she asked the "stupid"* question this site, and got strong direction, or the cadet that asks them all at O dark thirty when it is not about asking, but about running?

* Caveat there are no stupid questions, but I had to emphasize the negative aspect.

Remember you were once that 17 yr old in HS too. You were the big fish in the small pond, and now you are again the big fish, but a few yrs ago you were that small fish in the bigger pond. You will also soon be that small fish in the biggest pond (Army AD).

I am not trying to rag on you, I am not proud of my own digs to the LP, but it is time to let it drop in my opinion, for the good of not only the OP, but also for the incoming det that we support him and not make him run away.
 
Slightly disappointed that my DS will be serving with this individual. He/she clearly has A LOT of growing up to do. Fortunately, his/her attitude/posturing, I believe, is in the minority. The cream will rise to the top, as there are many fine young men and women that will be starting their professional military career in the near future. This is not meant to offend. I just don't buy the "kids make mistakes" cop-out. Kids DON'T have to make mistakes. Being a military officer is not a career for the weak. Weed the weak out now. Does that seem harsh? Maybe. But my husband said one of the most poignant training moments while he was in the Navy was a presentation on real-life cases of people DYING because of their or someone else's error. What could make a scenario like this even worse??? Having a banned substance show up in your system when you were the guy that forgot to latch the whatever or lock the whatever, etc.
 
We should not assume we know the basis for the question in the first place.
 
True, we don't know the basis. To be honest, when I read the original post, I thought it was just someone trying to get an ugly debate started. Online forums are rife with instigators that LOVE to get everyone heated and "screaming" at each other. If that was his/her motivation.....
 
Before this thread gets locked, we need to keep this about the issue at hand, not the person.

VA,

JMPO, the fastest way to get an infraction from the mods., is saying things that appear to be personal attacks.

As USMC, goalie and myself have stated we don't know the facts. This truly can be a DoDMERB issue, and he is on a prescribed med for short term, never smoked pot one day in his life.

What he is seeing is hard arse people who condemn others without the real facts.

It is his life, his place to state the issues if he ever wants to share at all.

Do I think he opened the can of worms with that question?

Heck YES!

However, it is his life, and by not being honest here, an anonymous forum, I think he hurts his own self. He is now boggled down with opinions, and not how to deal with the hurdles he needs to clear for the scholarship to be activated.

LP if this is drugs, or steroids, are other illegal issues, the path you need to take will be different than if it is a DoDMERB issue and you were prescribed Accutane for acne.

OBTW VA I get your 1st assumption, especially since they are applying for an AFROTC scholarship and didn't understand the % of Type 1 scholarships awarded.

However, a troll wouldn't subject to constant defense. They typically start the firestorm and let us attack each other. He is sticking around.

Yes LP_83, sorry, but I don't see a Type 1, and honestly probably not a Type 2. Type 7 is where your stats fall. 29 is Type 7. CS helps you since it is tech, but still with the AFA cutting appointments, the competition will be very high, and the avg AFA appointee has @1360 SAT, 31 ACT. Type 1 usually goes to candidates that attend Ivies or public Universities that are considered on par with Ivies. GIT is not on that list. AFROTC scholarships are tied to the cadet, not the school like A/NROTC.

Off topic, but if you get a scholarship please remember that if you decide at college you don't want CS, the fine print in the award will state, change the major and they can revoke the scholarship.
 
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Pima, you're totally right. I should have kept my "mouth" shut. We are all pretty emotionally invested in this. Mea culpa!
 
va,

I am not trying to be right, I am trying to remind everyone that this is a 17/18 yo kid, most likely with no military connection, and since he does not desire to share we are jumping to conclusions.

Let's for a second, think his inner circle (family/friends) are opposed to the military life. We see that a lot from HS posters. Did we just prove his inner circle right?

LP don't get me wrong, if this is about illegal drugs, I would throw you to the wolves too!

However, I am giving the benefit of the doubt that this isn't about drugs, just curiosity. In defense of the posters, you are not talking to 18 yo kids in HS, you are talking to people who have walked the path before you, and they know the pitfalls.

Walk away from this site because we have been harsh on this subject only hurts you. Tomorrow, 6 months for now, a yr from now you will be finding your way alone. Our personal lives will not be impacted. Learn from them, and also give respect too. They lived that life for a yr., just like you. AFROTC posters on scholarship had to relive board selection spring soph yr. Relived it again summer at SFT. Relived it again as a C300 for AFSC boards. Relived it again as C400 with the exit DoDMERB exam. 4 yrs in AFROTC, will be boards after boards. It does not end with a scholarship.

Stay and take the heat, you will be better prepared for life as a cadet, and as an ADAF officer. Bullet use to say, when he was called into the Commanders office, reamed out, he stood at attention and saluted sharply. His opinion didn't matter. That is the military life. You can speak freely here, with no reprecussion regarding your career path. I think that is where -Bull- was going with his comment.

They have seen cadets fall by the wayside even 6 weeks prior to commissioning. Nothing is guaranteed until you raise your right hand and take the oath as an AD member. Old adage, don't count your chickens before they hatch is very true for ROTC.

My concern is you don't want to serve in the AF. You want a check to go to your college. ADAF life is 24/7/365 days for at least 4 yrs. wherever they assign you... Camp Red Cloud, SKorea, Mt. Home, Idaho, Eilson aFB, AK. College is 15 hrs a week in class, 30 weeks a yr for 4 yrs. to where you want to live.

BIG DIFFERENCE! I am not sure you have investigated hard enough what will be your life for at least the next 8 yrs.

I hope I am wrong, I hope you want to serve and it isn't just a tuition check.
 
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I'm entirely confused.. When did I start smoking "pot"? I just had a very simple question about the whole process. If I was trying to hide anything, I definitely wouldn't be so blunt about what I wanted on the internet, let alone the ROTC section of a Military forum.
All I was after was information.
 
LP_83 said:
I'm entirely confused.. When did I start smoking "pot"? I just had a very simple question about the whole process. If I was trying to hide anything, I definitely wouldn't be so blunt about what I wanted on the internet, let alone the ROTC section of a Military forum.
All I was after was information.
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I've been reading this thread for the past couple days, with some amusement I must say. When I read your original question I could tell just what kind of responses you would get.

You didn't ask a simple question about the "whole process" You spefically asked How soon after your awarded a scholarship are you drug tested. The question was vague at best. To be honest in the couple years I have been reading this forum I don't think I have ever seen anyone ask that question.

Your question has been answered several times now, that should be enough.

I'm not really sure what kind of answer you expected, very few people would really understand why you would even ask.

Others have asked similar questions but with much more explanation, some want to know how far in advance they should stop hard workouts so they don't test high for protien, some are even worried that they have taken asprin before the tests. Others ask because they are using Protien Workout Supplements and wonder if they would show up on a test and how long before they test should they stop taking them.

The problem with your question was that it left the door wide open for speculation, and understandably with the way it was asked.

You have posted a few more times on this subject but each time never gave any explanation to your question, you only made comments to those posts you didn't like.

Trust me, if anyone were to ask a similar question such as "What do they check during your Secret Security Clearance" without any explanation the reaction would have been the same.

Give a little more information or explanation to a vague question and you will avoid any speculation, and for God's sake, do not ask this same question to anyone at the AFROTC Det.

So to answer you new question "When did I start smoking Pot?" well, nobody on this forum can answer that.
 
LP,

I am tired of your dance,

You asked about drug testing, won't say why, and get offended when the natural assumption is it is illegal.

You can't have it both ways. Mad because people take the leap, but not say even the simplest thing, as it is a prescription issue to defend yourself.

I am staying in the dance for 1 reason alone...lurkers and candidates are getting the biggest learning lesson regarding ROTC.

They are learning that cadets don't take highly to cadets that lie on their DoDMERB

They are learning that cadets don't take highly to attitudes from posters with no scholarship awarded.

They are learning there is a difference between prescription drugs and illegal drugs.

They are learning what others expect regarding honesty.

You are doing a great service to this site with each and every post.

You got your answer to your question many posts ago. You have an option now, move forward and ask the pertinent questions as an AFROTC cadet or continue to yank the chain.

As an AFROTC cadet with no scholarship in hand and only 2 boards left, my ares would be spending time trying to understand how life will be without a scholarship. You asked to be chanced for a Type 1. 5% of all AFROTC scholarships and your ACT was a 29, 31 is avg.

I would be asking, about ISSP, or how SFT works.

Yet, you are stuck on the drug testing thread. Why? If you know that there is no issue at all, and posters like me are fighting for you, why haven't you moved onto what is truly important.

AFROTC C100 and life come Sept.

It is you who wants to not share, and it is you who blast us for taking leaps. If you want to run with the big dawgs, don't get mad when they bump you! Don't cry foul and say you are a puppy(HS) knowing that the others are not!

Finally, this site is not as anonymous as you may think. As a cadre member of GIT AFROT det., I could figure you out quickly, African American , 1130 SAT, 29 ACT, track, tennis, etc, computer major. is very few in the pool of applicants or cadets.

Look right now, this very second. @165 viewers...20 members. Do you know who the lurkers are? This is not FB and private settings.

Us old people get social media more than you think we get. :eek:
 
Vareporter, there is no "MY BAD" smilies. I can only give you:worship:

I am with you now regarding your post
To be honest, when I read the original post, I thought it was just someone trying to get an ugly debate started. Online forums are rife with instigators that LOVE to get everyone heated and "screaming" at each other. If that was his/her motivation.....
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Unless LP shows a different side, and wonders about AFROTC, I am with you he is basically a TROLL.
 
I'm human, not a troll. That's really mean. As for paying, I can pay for college without the AFROTC, I already have a full ride to one school, and will probably get another full ride to a different school.
All I want is to serve my country as an Air Force officer. Thanks to those who helped.
 
PIMA,

I'm content with my remarks. My problem is not with the content of the posts, but the "lol, ok" smart remarks people make when they don't want to accept a response.

Luckily, if he does make it to the AF, he has a higher chance of interacting with a flight of computers than a platoon of soldiers.
 
LP_83 said:
I'm human, not a troll. That's really mean. As for paying, I can pay for college without the AFROTC, I already have a full ride to one school, and will probably get another full ride to a different school.
All I want is to serve my country as an Air Force officer. Thanks to those who helped.
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LP - Good you have another source of income for the school or dream school you choose. Prima already mentioned to you about the possibility of AFROTC $$ disappearing and some students are 'stuck' with no way to pay the school bills.

Very rarely Pima will stick up for a question posted, so be thankful for the helpful information and sticking up for you (You owe Pima big thanks). I see it from Pima's view, you got the scholarship and you thinking whats the next step (drug test?, when is that?, During the physical?). Innocent question for some to ask that want the next step and are newbies to the process.

Actually I guess all the posts have value to them. Especially for ones that want to have a risky life of taking banned products or medication not on their papers :biggrin:
 
LP,
I respect you want to serve the country and in the AF, and don't need the scholarship, but again from a poster position, you are wrapped up in drug testing arguments, not one post is about moving forward and AFSC chances.

You are hurting yourself as a future AF officer not investigating what the next 4 yrs will be like.

Our DS was like most kids here going the AFROTC route, they are not asking about drug testing and how soon, but chances of getting UPT, what cgpa do you need for SFT, PFT, etc.

You are human, but if you really want to be that AF officer start asking questions that matter, let this thread die. It will die as soon as you ignore it.

OBYW LP remember AFROTC SFT is your make or break...and the question if I were you would be asking what is the scoring system for SFT since you don't need a scholarship.

People will tell you your SAT/ACT is part of it. Think about it. 20% of cadets are scholarship, 55% get SFT, you already have stiff competition.

Bull I get your position.
 
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LP_83 said:
I'm human, not a troll. That's really mean. As for paying, I can pay for college without the AFROTC, I already have a full ride to one school, and will probably get another full ride to a different school.
All I want is to serve my country as an Air Force officer. Thanks to those who helped.
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I got the message that you want to be an Air Force officer. I got the message that you already have a full-ride in place.

This brings me to my next point of confusion... Why do you feel the need for an AFROTC scholarship?

1) It does not guarantee you a commission.
2) It doesn't necessarily give you any more financial help (you don't get to pocket the money over and above the total cost of attendance).
3) It doesn't give you a huge advantage within your detachment.

It bothers me to think that you may view this scholarship as some type of validation of your achievement and some type of badge of honor more than as a financial assistance to the goal. I know you put in your application before you received the full-ride and of course it is nice to know the AF thinks highly of you, but unless your full-rides are to places you don't want to go (which begs the question of why you would have applied), what the heck are you doing chasing the ROTC scholarship?

Your full-ride probably has fewer risks - besides a GPA requirement, your AFROTC scholarship can go bye-bye for a whole lot of other reasons, some of which require you to repay Uncle Sam.

I'm struggling to wrap my head around what is driving your pursuit of this scholarship. Is it insecurity about your chances of getting a commission or is it bragging rights when you show up day one? BTW, cadets don't talk about who is and isn't on scholarship.

The more I read here, the more I am left wondering why we are entertaining your needs...
 
I suggest everyone step away from their keyboards and let this thread die.

A question was asked and answers were provided.

Everything else has been a lecture or an immature response. Nothing of value for future readers.

Let it die.
 
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