DS Intending to Enlist Instead

The valuable advice just keeps rolling in. Thank you, USMCGrunt, navypmw, and Bull.

It sounds like he wants to get away from school ASAP and get into a uniform full time as fast as possible.

Yes, that's pretty close to target. He wants to do something now, not prepare to do something, hunched over a dorm-room and classroom desk, for four long years. That's not how I would feel about it. I love school and college. I'd love to hunch over a desk for four years. But I think for DS enlisting just might be the right choice.

A lot to consider, pros and cons. He won't be taking ASVAB/DLAB until late Feb at the earliest because he needs to study for the DLAB. So, there's time for him to think and read this thread over several times.

Understand completely. At the time I was in school I felt a lot like him, did not enjoy the whole school part of college. If I could go back now I’d pick a different degree and look forward to class. Crazy how time changes things.

Best of luck to him as he weighs his options, might be one of his first big decisions he’s had to make and unchartered territory can be uncomfortable. Just let him know (you can tell him I said it) that whatever he chooses to do he better go all in. No half-a$$ing anything, every event is a graded event and winning matters.

Tell him to get on here and ask some questions if he wants. I work a lot right now so I don’t post often, but I read quite a bit.
 
Another viewpoint. Enlisted here and worked my way up the food chain. Later on along the way, had officers try to get me to commission through the LDO program, OCS, Warrant route. I declined all of them. Not that I didn't think I wasn't capable but rather that I enjoyed what I was doing and didn't care to remove myself from the front line crew to transition to the management end of it. Bottom line is a PhD in whatever isn't the end goal. Doing what you enjoy doing is.
 
I think this will be a good thread for your DS to read. It sounds like he wants to get away from school ASAP and get into a uniform full time as fast as possible. Nothing wrong with that and most certainly nothing wrong with the enlisted side of the house. I’ve had friends go that route both before starting college and also after being enrolled in ROTC. We need great people on both sides of the house.

My opinion is that he’s looking short term and is ready to start “big boy life” not in an academic environment. My recommendation would be to remind him that college and ROTC are an investment to his future. You might not enjoy it now, but will you enjoy the return on investment 5, 10, 20 years from now? The answer depends on the person. I looked at enlisting prior to going to college and joining ROTC, but ended up with an opportunity I didn’t deserve and determined I couldn’t pass it up. 3 years on active duty later as an officer and I don’t regret it one bit. But that’s me

Maybe a 6 year enlistment isn’t best for him. Maybe 3 years so he can get his feet wet, see what life is like on the enlisted side and determine if he wants to continue that way or look at options for his future both inside and outside of the military. It’s easy to say that you can get a degree while serving on active duty but it’s not easy in most line units. There are Soldiers doing it in my Brigade and I don’t know how they pull it off with year on year off deployment cycles and long training cycles in between.

The money shouldn’t be the most important factor in the decision, but it should be a factor. It’s easy to say money isn’t everything, but it does make certain things easier. I’m 25 and make roughly $75,000 a year, if I had enlisted I’d make about half that at most. Definitely something to look at.

Finally, I will never push 99% of people I encounter curious of the officer life towards that decision, it has to be a personal decision and commitment. And I think most of my peers don’t fully understand the magnitude of the rank they wear or positions they hold. I cannot push someone to be responsible for the lives of someone’s children unless they want to go all in. Just a personal thing with me I don’t take lightly. As a private, you get to just worry about yourself and there’s nothing wrong with that, as an officer you have to worry about everyone in your charge and if you neglect those responsibilities there’s something very wrong with that.
As a senior enlisted you not only have to worry about those under your charge but also those junior officers that are assigned to "lead" you but don't quite know how to accomplish that part.
 
As a senior enlisted you not only have to worry about those under your charge but also those junior officers that are assigned to "lead" you but don't quite know how to accomplish that part.

So true. I always point to my “training” as a new Ensign by my LDO bosun department head, two fellow CWO4 division officers, the 4 tugmaster Chiefs who worked for (?) me and the 3 Master Chief Harbor Pilots in the office next door as the leadership foundation for every subsequent success in my career. The “uh, ma’am, could I have a minute?” usually preceded a lesson of some kind. Years later, I tracked them all down and invited them to my change of command ceremonies.

I will never forget CNO Roughead, in a speech, name a Chief Petty Officer from every tour he had ever had, as a mentor, resource and trusted advisor.

I have been watching this thread with interest.
 
The typo was amusingly "threatening"

Ha! Hilarious. I hadn't notice my typo.

DS read the thread again a few minutes ago. Thanks BTCS/USN, Bull, and Capt MJ. I'm not sure if DS'll post, Bull, but he's thinking hard. Yes, go "all in," I told him I agree with that 100%. Even if he decides to try the ROTC route on a "try it and see" basis, it has to be all in, studying hard for a good GPA, never missing class, and so forth. 100% all in, school-wise. DS waivered a little last night, saying that maybe he should go ahead and give ROTC a chance.

And DS will be reading this thread yet again.
 
Also, doing a ROTC program is no cakewalk. Responsibilities in the unit grow each year and take more and more time. You need to make time to work out on your own. Sometimes I thought my DS majored in NROTC and not History. It can definitely be a challenge if one challenges their self.
 
Ha! Hilarious. I hadn't notice my typo.

DS read the thread again a few minutes ago. Thanks BTCS/USN, Bull, and Capt MJ. I'm not sure if DS'll post, Bull, but he's thinking hard. Yes, go "all in," I told him I agree with that 100%. Even if he decides to try the ROTC route on a "try it and see" basis, it has to be all in, studying hard for a good GPA, never missing class, and so forth. 100% all in, school-wise. DS waivered a little last night, saying that maybe he should go ahead and give ROTC a chance.

And DS will be reading this thread yet again.

One of the things that occurred to me is does he naturally gravitate to the leadership role in his current activities with sports and school? Does he enjoy and thrive on that challenge and responsibility? Or was it “this is ok, and I know I have to have some of this stuff on my resumé if I am applying for SA/ROTC/college.” That’s perfectly fine too.

If he goes enlisted, he will start at the very bottom of the pecking order and learn how to be a really, really good follower. Leadership opportunities at that stage might be leading a 5-body cleaning party. It takes awhile to build up the technical skills and to work-center level leadership positions. It is an honorable and fine way to go - the Services could not operate successfully without that core center of hands-on, technically-skilled, deeply experienced trouble-shooters and miracle-workers who are the enlisted men and women.

In my first job, at age 21, I was responsible, and accountable, for 4 Yard tugboats (port tugs, not ocean), their enlisted crews (60 Sailors), and for leading them as we executed our mission, setting priorities, managing resources, making decisions, resolving conflicts. I loved it. I had found my niche, and being a Navy Officer was the making of me.

When things are working right between officers and enlisted, with mutual respect and commitment to the job, with strong two-way comms, it is a seamless, rewarding, powerful, meaningful, FUN experience. And unforgettable. And, I got to drive the tugboats and LCMs when we weren’t doing an actual port evolution! I also learned forklifts, floating crane and other fun gear, which helped me learn and appreciate, say, what a mid-grade Petty Officer (Navy E4-E6) endures on a hot August day at NAVSTA Rota Spain over a 6-hour stint in a no-AC plexiglass cab.

In later years, I counseled junior officers mulling over whether they were going to leave after 5-8 years AD for civilian life, or stay. After reviewing various discussion points, I would ask them, “do you have the burning in your gut to have command of your own ship/sub/unit? If you do, stay, and slog out the career steps to get there, facing fierce, ranked competition for promotion and command selection. If you don’t, that’s absolutely fine. You can love the Navy, and be sad to leave, but don’t put yourself through the grinder if command is not what you want, or if you don’t have a non-command career path lined up. You can transition to a great civilian career with a superb foundation.”

I had the burning in the gut. Surprised me at the time, but no regrets. Absolutely none. I am still in touch with many enlisted personnel from my AD career, and I continue to be grateful for the many things they taught me. Some transitioned to officer careers, some rose to very high senior enlisted levels.

So...tell your DS to think about what has made him happy, engaged, challenged, rewarded, to date. He must begin to know himself, what motivates and contents him. He can read these threads all day long, but it’s his life, his unique personality, to look inward at and determine his choice.
 
All's well that ends well. DS did not receive the AROTC scholarship. So, after lengthy discussion with the local recruiters, he went to MEPS and took the ASVAB and the DLAB. And today he enlisted in the Army: MOS 35P, five-year term.

He is happy and looking forward to this adventure. At 17 years old, he'll be graduating from high school in June and shipping on June 26th. In a few years, if his Army work schedule permits it, he can attend college part-time or, as a veteran at 22 years of age if he leaves the Army after five years, full time. Everyone in his family is happy about this, especially him.
 
All's well that ends well. DS did not receive the AROTC scholarship. So, after lengthy discussion with the local recruiters, he went to MEPS and took the ASVAB and the DLAB. And today he enlisted in the Army: MOS 35P, five-year term.

Congratulations to your son, 35P will keep him busy.
 
All's well that ends well. DS did not receive the AROTC scholarship. So, after lengthy discussion with the local recruiters, he went to MEPS and took the ASVAB and the DLAB. And today he enlisted in the Army: MOS 35P, five-year term.

He is happy and looking forward to this adventure. At 17 years old, he'll be graduating from high school in June and shipping on June 26th. In a few years, if his Army work schedule permits it, he can attend college part-time or, as a veteran at 22 years of age if he leaves the Army after five years, full time. Everyone in his family is happy about this, especially him.

Thank you. Well done.
 
All's well that ends well. DS did not receive the AROTC scholarship. So, after lengthy discussion with the local recruiters, he went to MEPS and took the ASVAB and the DLAB. And today he enlisted in the Army: MOS 35P, five-year term.

He is happy and looking forward to this adventure. At 17 years old, he'll be graduating from high school in June and shipping on June 26th. In a few years, if his Army work schedule permits it, he can attend college part-time or, as a veteran at 22 years of age if he leaves the Army after five years, full time. Everyone in his family is happy about this, especially him.

In the last few months my son-in-law got his E-5 almost exactly 4 years from the day he shipped to Basic. He is also only a few credits away from his Associate's degree by taking online courses and should have it by the end of the summer- on the Army's dime (they have an allowance a soldier can use for education). All this with a wife and children!! Best of luck to your son!
 
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