Dual Citizenship

Discussion in 'Military Academy - USMA' started by Shaka, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. Shaka

    Shaka Member

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    Do dual citizens need to renounce their other Citizenship on R-Day?
     
  2. Freedom1776

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    Same question here. I am in the process of losing it but I have concerns about how it may affect security clearances for NROTC
     
  3. CrewDad

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    USMA Renounce now and absolutely before R Day. Renouncing takes much official paperwork. To do not that simple depending on country where you have dual citizenship. NROTC you may have time until before you contract. However, not 100% sure so you should also check this out. However, USCGA allows dual citizenship.
     
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  4. DrMom

    DrMom 5-Year Member

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    Why are you asking on an unofficial forum in which everyone has a say with no truly identifiable skill set. This is an important issue, call your Regional Admissions person.
     
  5. bopper

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    Are you sure? I remember renouncing dual citizenships being a thing.
     
  7. Humey

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    I dont know about the acadamies, but from what i have read about Rotoc, sometimes you have to renounce it and sometimes you dont. What they ask is if you are willing to renouce the other nation with the answer being yes. Many times, there are no need to follow through. Just like bopper mentioned above that Ethan is a dual US/Canadian citizen, I have a feeling the US isnt too worried about US/Canadians or US/UK. My son is US born with a dual citizenship with Israel. My son renouncesd his Israeli citiznenship and although Israel has been taken off the US blacklist recently, i have a feeling they still dont look kindly at US/Israeli citizens. There was an incident where an older US dentist decided to close his practice and join the Navy as a dentist. He was denied security clearnence and the ablity to join because his mother who had Alzheimers and dementia lived in Israel. They were concerned because he called his mother regularly. The Navy wound up revering their decision after pressure was put on them

    I am guessing the Navy told the sailors to keep their mouth shut when going into for their dental exam
     
  8. northernerr

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    I know there are issues with security clearance in the army and other branches. While I am unsure about USMA, I would believe it is the same. I interned with the airforce and couple of the airmen had dual citizenship and needed to rennounce one before they even joined the miltiary.
     
  9. CrewDad

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    200% sure. I know couple of Cadets who are dual at USCGA. Perhaps because USCGA jurisdiction is with DHS no longer with DoD. So perhaps in the past you had to renounce another citizenship. U.S. law does not prohibit dual Citizenship. Only to be in the U.S. Military if you are seeking Top Security Clearance you have to renounce a non U.S. Citizenship. You are required to complete SF-86 Security Clearance Form before Reporting to a Federal Service Academy. I’m not sure if USCGA requires SF-86.
     
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    cb7893 5-Year Member

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    I wish @clarksonarmy would intervene as this issue keeps coming up.

    Everything I've ever read says that Commissioned US Military Officers cannot hold any citizenship from another country. Cadets/Mids, must be US citizens, but are not Commissioned Military officers. So, theoretically they could hold dual citizenship.

    Some countries, like Israel, consider members of their ethnic/religious diaspora to be citizens. I knew a kid in college in the 1970's with Greek parents. He never held a Greek passport. While visiting Greece in 1974 Turkey attacked Cyprus and the Greek government attempted to draft him into the Army. His parents had to hire a lawyer to get him out of the obligation.

    There is a difference between citizenship and rights to citizenship. Both of my sons have the right to Polish Citizenship by virtue of having a Polish Mother. About the time my wife started the process of getting them Polish passports, DS#1 applied for AROTC scholarship and she stopped the process for him and he is not a dual citizen. The process continued for DS #2 and he is a dual citizen and holds a Polish Passport.

    Bottomline, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts "Ethan" has renounced his Canadian Citizenship, if he commissioned into the US Army.
     
  11. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    USCGA was never DOD. Cadets need Secret, which may have the same requirements.
     
  12. CrewDad

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    You’re right it was part of DOT.
     
  13. NY104classof2023

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    This is DIRECTLY from the office handling EQIP. I am US born and hold Australian citizenship also.

    Candidate,

    You need to show loyalty to the US and renounce your dual citizenship for your
    security clearance. Please edit the attached affidavit and have it notarized
    and scan and email it back to me. No other action is require to "renounce"
    the dual citizenship with Australia. Please be aware that once SECRET
    clearance has been granted, you will not be authorized to travel outside the US using
    your Australian passport, if you have one. Please always plan to travel using
    your US passport.

    Please let me know if you have any other questions.
     
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