Early Action Group One Finished

[gtmike]

advicew

If you get a deferral, what can we do to better our chances and what are the next important dates when more appointments will be released?

 

[Suzie]

At my High School we had a deflated grading scale, where it was based on a 4.0 Scale, but the grades went as follows:

The grading scale for non-weighted grades:

Average Grade Quality Points
93 – 100 A 4.0
85 – 92 B 3.0
75 – 84 C 2.0
65 – 74 D 1.0
0 – 64 F 0

How does this fit into the equation, as reviewed through the admissions process?

Thanks for any help you guys can give.

This is exactly how my son's school system grades........can't tell you how many times my kids have missed an "A" by 1 point.....those 92's always keep popping up!!! Thought we were the only wierd school system that did this!

 

[danman2811]

The High School Transcript supplemental form that we use requests the applicant's guidance counselor provide a current GPA and GPA scale. If the reported scale is anything other than 4.00, we simply create equal ratios and solve the proportion; for example: 4.50/5.00 = x/4.00 or 96/100 = x/4.00

Hope that clears up any confusion over how we convert GPA's to a 4.00 scale.

I'm sorry I'm still a little confused...how can somebody get a 4.04 ( or anything higher than 4) using that method? Even if you get the best that you can, say 5.0/5.0, that still only comes out to a 4 when you make the ratios.

 

[swimmer27]

CGAS appointees are typically applicants who simply need an additional year of academic preparation to be ready to be successful at the Academy...they would have received a direct appointment if they had a stronger academic record. They must have good grades (3.00 GPA and higher) and are usually in the top 25% of their high school class, but they may not haven taken the most demanding or highest level (Honors/AP) coursework available. Last year the average ACT/SAT score was 550 CR 575 M, so still relatively strong when you consider the national average is 500 CR 515 M.

How does the academy convert ACT to SAT scores?
Thanks!

 

[Luigi59]

How does the academy convert ACT to SAT scores?
Thanks!

ACT–SAT Concordance

 

[Suzie]

o.k........I'm trying to be patient (DS doing better than I) Is there anyone else that has not heard from Early Action Group I yet????? We are still Mailman stalking.......

 

[JennaG]

o.k........I'm trying to be patient (DS doing better than I) Is there anyone else that has not heard from Early Action Group I yet????? We are still Mailman stalking.......

Only two more days! Hold in there, and good luck!!

 

[Lucky10]

o.k........I'm trying to be patient (DS doing better than I) Is there anyone else that has not heard from Early Action Group I yet????? We are still Mailman stalking.......

I am sending you all sorts of good vibes. We thought we were the last out here in California.

 

[Suzie]

Thanks Jenna & Lucky!! Just checked the mail today.....Nothing. So boys and I are baking Christmas Cookies!!! .....only 1 more day......I think I can handle it....especially if I have cookies in the house

 

[YankeesFan]

I'm sorry I'm still a little confused...how can somebody get a 4.04 ( or anything higher than 4) using that method? Even if you get the best that you can, say 5.0/5.0, that still only comes out to a 4 when you make the ratios.

I was thinking the same thing after I read the response.

 

[Objee]

I'm sorry I'm still a little confused...how can somebody get a 4.04 (or anything higher than 4) using that method? Even if you get the best that you can, say 5.0/5.0, that still only comes out to a 4 when you make the ratios.

I was thinking the same thing after I read the response.

As I've previously explained, some schools have grading policies which allow students to earn a GPA higher than 4.00 since they place a higher point value for an A+ versus A. Someone attending HS 1 who earns straight A's with a few A+ grades would obviously end up with a GPA higher than 4.00.

Here are three different policies for local high schools (all within 30 minutes) of the Academy:

HS 1

Grade Point Value
A+ 4.33
A 4.0
A- 3.67
B+ 3.33
B 3.0
B- 2.67
C+ 2.33
C 2.0
C- 1.67
D 1.0
F 0

Other schools have grading policies which allow students to earn a GPA higher than 4.00 since they provide a "weighted" GPA to students who take Honors/AP courses. Someone attending HS 2 who earns an A in an AP course would receive a 4.80 point value and an A in a Honors course is worth a point value of 4.40, so they could obviously end up with a GPA higher than 4.00 if they take numerous Honors/AP courses and earn mostly A's.

Here are three different policies for local high schools (all within 30 minutes) of the Academy:

HS 2

AP Advanced Placement
L1 Honors
L2 College-Prep
L3 Standard

All final course grades will carry a weight of 1 except for the following: Advanced Placement = 1.2; Honors = 1.1.

Finally, other schools have grading policies which allow students to earn a GPA higher than 4.00 since they provide a sliding scale for grade point values in higher level coursework. Someone attending HS 3 could obviously end up with a GPA higher than 4.00 if they take numerous Honors/AP courses and earn A's and B's.

Here are three different policies for local high schools (all within 30 minutes) of the Academy:

HS 3

CP

A 4.0
B 3.0
C 2.0
D 1.0
F 0.0

CP1

A 4.5
B 3.5
C 2.5
D 1.5
F 0.0

Acc

A 5.0
B 4.0
C 3.0
D 2.0
F 0.0

Honors

A 5.5
B 4.5
C 3.5
D 2.5
F 0.0

AP

A 6.0
B 5.0
C 4.0
D 3.0
F 0.0

All three of these high schools report their GPA's to us as being on a 4.00 scale, so it's never our conversion method which would give an applicant a GPA higher than 4.00 but the grading policies outlined above. I hope this explanation clears up the confusion...if it doesn't, I think someone else (any math teachers in the crowd?) is going to have to explain it to you two guys.

 

[YankeesFan]

That makes sense. The other post sounded like no matter what, the ratio would be:

(Actual GPA) / (Highest Possible on Scale) = (Converted GPA) / (Highest Possible on Other Scale)

With that scale, it wouldn't be advantageous (GPA-wise) to attend a school that gives scores over a 1:1 ratio, as a 4.33 in a scale that goes to 4.33 would yield a 1:1 max ratio...

Short answer: Understood.

 

[Suzie]

DS received his deferral on Christmas Eve
Good Luck to everyone!!

 

[evniwi]

I'm happy to report that Admissions Committee convened for the final time today to review Early Action Group One applicants, so all decisions have been finalized and all notification letters have been mailed!

Applications Reviewed: 500
Appointments Offered: 109 (57 Full; 52 Conditional)
Appointments Accepted: 10 (As of 12/17/10)

CGAS Appointments Offered: 8

Of the 109 appointees...

Average SAT Scores: 650 CR 660 M (includes converted ACT scores)
Average HS Rank: 8% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
Average GPA: 4.04 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
Average PFE Score: 216

33 U.S. states are represented plus U.S. citizens living in Bahrain, Belgium, Germany, and South Korea

Objee-

How many of the 8 CGAS's were enlisted vs. high school applicants?

 

[Objee]

How many of the 8 CGAS's were enlisted vs. high school applicants?

All eight are currently in high school, but one CGAS appointment has been tendered to an enlisted applicant in EA Group Two.

 

[Suzie]

Couple of questions......

1) When class rank is calculated how do you take in account for students who have a high GPA....but in Floral design, art, choir, etc. vs. a student who has A/P Chemistry, A/P BC Calculus, etc. that has a lower GPA.....but in class rank is lower than the flower designer????

What happens if there is a high dropout rate.....so it will affect class rank when the total class shrinks and rank percent grows.....

2) When learning about a high school, Do you consider how many graduates go to a 4 yr college vs. a community/technical college. When our school reports graduates going to college they lump 2 yr and 4 yr together..... Personally I don't think that is a true picture. example.....You don't need a foreign language, or a certain GPA to get into a community/technical college, along with other courses. But maybe all high schools report this way.......

I would just like to understand all this a little bit better.

Thank you!!

 

[Dedham]

I'm happy to report that Admissions Committee convened for the final time today to review Early Action Group One applicants, so all decisions have been finalized and all notification letters have been mailed!

Applications Reviewed: 500
Appointments Offered: 109 (57 Full; 52 Conditional)
Appointments Accepted: 10 (As of 12/17/10)

CGAS Appointments Offered: 8

Of the 109 appointees...

Average SAT Scores: 650 CR 660 M (includes converted ACT scores)
Average HS Rank: 8% (includes reported and calculated HSR's)
Average GPA: 4.04 (all reported GPA's are converted to a 4.00 scale)
Average PFE Score: 216

33 U.S. states are represented plus U.S. citizens living in Bahrain, Belgium, Germany, and South Korea

Objee, the stats are very informative. Do you know how many in Group One attended AIM? If you have the information, please include the AIM attendance statistic in the profile of Group Two when you post it. Thanks,

 

[Luigi59]

Objee, the stats are very informative. Do you know how many in Group One attended AIM?

163 EA1 (of 500 total) applicants attended AIM.

 

[Objee]

Do you know how many in Group One attended AIM?

166 EA Group One applicants attended AIM; 55 have been appointed so far.

 

[danman2811]

Just curious Objee, do you have any statistics on the number of candidates deferred from EA 1 (or 2 also) who then go on to get accepted in the spring? Thanks!