Enlisting question

I appreciate your wisdom. Not going to do anything just yet...want to get through graduation first. Will talk with family and friends once things kind of settle down this summer and proceed from there. Again, many thanks to you and this forum...I can't imagine having to go through this process before the internet.
It sounds like you’ve given much thought and weighed your options. Get through graduation and give it some more reflection. College is not for everyone and shouldn’t be something people attend and go into debt for no good reason. I haven’t heard you mention anything about a college major that interests you or a civilian career goal. Most everything you speak of is military related. That is totally fine, and hints loudly at possibly taking the enlisted path….for now.
If you decide to enlist, be sure to dive deeply into what path you would like to sign up for. Also know what plan B,C or D the Navy may put you in if it your plan A doesn’t work out.
You may also want to speak with an officer recruiter for advice. Regardless of what you do, be sure to verify Everything the enlisted recruiter “promises “ you. Verify it with reputable sources as well as your contract.
If you choose to enlist, your experience will be what you make of it. Push yourself to be the best teammate and best at what is expected of you. If you get out after your first enlistment, you will be well prepared for whatever comes at you in the civilian world. If you stay in, opportunities will open up and that may lead you to the Academy or another commissioning source. Or maybe even a senior NCO one day!
Best of luck to you and ask questions.
 
Unfortunately, CC does not really work for me because at the end of the day I am stuck applying again to the same nomination sources as I did this year. I am in an extremely competitive district, and per my BGO I need to expand nomination sources (NROTC) to maximize my chances for the next cycle. Although it is not recommended, I almost feel like the enlisted path would be the best way forward if I even wanted to try to re-apply. Both of my Mids at CVW were priors, so maybe that's a sign I was supposed to see. I guess I am just really spooked about just waiting another year and spending so much money just to be out of luck again. I knew that applying for Annapolis was going to be really tough, so I was not under any illusions. But I literally did everything I could to to to go to USNA for high school. Great grades, community service, Eagle Scout, great CFA, varsity athletics, holding down a job with high levels or responsibilty, avoiding the usual high school activites that can land you in trouble, great recoomendations, clear DODMERB, etc you name it and I couldn't even get a nomination. Maybe I would feel differently if I had at least been in the running with a nom, but to literally be standing there with nothing. I just felt like an idiot. I am not trying to have a pity party, but that experience just leads me to think I need to go down a different path and if Annapolis is in my future, then maybe it will happen down the road. I will stop with the drama now, but will say again thank you for the feedback I really appreciate it.
The goal of going to school for a year, with a plebe like schedule, is to NOT be the same person you were when applying as a direct admit. You will have a year of growth, learning and leadership to use in your next application. Yes, to the same MOC’s, but you won’t be the same applicant as you were this year.

A large portion of each years class are reapplicants.

Enlisting is fine, and an option, if you are ok with serving out that contract should an offer not come your way. It is for sure more risky.
 
If you are enlisting to try to get into the academy I would strongly recommend against it. I was just like you. I had a great ACT, tons of extracurriculars, great grades, but a competitive district. Got turned down and couldn't afford college. I enlisted as a nuke to get into the academy, and I did get in, but I know a good chunk of outstanding sailors who didn't get in too. The application process is lengthy and if you are in a SPECWAR pipeline you are going to be very busy. From personal experience, I had to balance applying to USNA with 60-70 hour workweeks. Ouch. We had a command meeting for USNA applicants. We started with 130 interested people and finished with 10 complete applications. If you really want it I'm sure you can get it, but it will be a grind. I would only enlist if you are ok with doing the job you pick if you don't get into the academy and are ok with being treated like a kid for a while. I think it would be much easier to go to a community college and ball out. ROTC is a great option. And if you aren't taking calculus in high school, don't be surprised if you have to go to NAPS first.
 
If you are enlisting to try to get into the academy I would strongly recommend against it. I was just like you. I had a great ACT, tons of extracurriculars, great grades, but a competitive district. Got turned down and couldn't afford college. I enlisted as a nuke to get into the academy, and I did get in, but I know a good chunk of outstanding sailors who didn't get in too. The application process is lengthy and if you are in a SPECWAR pipeline you are going to be very busy. From personal experience, I had to balance applying to USNA with 60-70 hour workweeks. Ouch. We had a command meeting for USNA applicants. We started with 130 interested people and finished with 10 complete applications. If you really want it I'm sure you can get it, but it will be a grind. I would only enlist if you are ok with doing the job you pick if you don't get into the academy and are ok with being treated like a kid for a while. I think it would be much easier to go to a community college and ball out. ROTC is a great option. And if you aren't taking calculus in high school, don't be surprised if you have to go to NAPS first.
Thanks for the feedback. I won't be enlisting with the mindset of using it as a pathway to get into USNA, it will be more of a mindset that if it's meant to be, it will happen. At this point, the only thing I am really pondering is that the job I really want (AIRR) comes with a 6 year commitment. I am not against it, and certainly the Navy is adding some nice things in for that 6 year timeframe, it's just something I am thinking really hard about. If I am being honest, after the application process this year and taking time to process and speak with my mentors, I am not sure USNA is even attainable for me. I just feel like I am on the outside looking in. Not saying this to have a pity party, and it's all good to me but I am trying to be as realistic as possible....it's just like that feeling when you go to a party and you are really not supposed to be there.
 
The bonuses you are referring to are enlistment bonuses. They are to entice people to enlist under those ratings since they are critical and have a lot of attrition in their training pipeline and/or have low enlistment numbers to begin with. The bonuses are paid out after schooling because the Navy would lose out on its investment if you don't complete. If they were paid initially, everybody would say they wanted to be a Nuke just to DOR the first day of Power School so they could go do what they really wanted to do in the Navy.

To answer your question about if your bonus restricts you, I doubt it, but that would be in the fine print of your contract (and read your contract... don't just take your recruiter's word for it). You see a lot of Nukes at Annapolis because they all have the raw intelligence to succeed in a rigorous academic environment. If they are crushing a pipeline that some USNA grads struggle in and are a good Sailor all-around, then they can definitely handle USNA.

Just know too that you are at the mercy of the Navy if you don't make it through your training pipeline. Where you go and what you do is largely decided by what ratings have openings.

Lastly, it could be years before you have the opportunity to apply again. It isn't as simple as enlist, train, apply, and go to Annapolis. Say you go SWCC. You are probably going to austere places at a high OPTEMPO. That might derail your plans for a bit since the priority is the mission and not an application to USNA. Also, showing up to your SBT as the SB3 with no tactical experience means you have to earn your credibility. It is not a good look to walk in and start voicing your desire to go to USNA. It is great to have aspirations, but your job at that point is to be a good team member and learn your craft (both the boat itself and the tactics that go along with it). Once you have proven yourself as a high-performing operator and solid teammate, then USNA can be on the table.

This is at all not to discourage, but just some food for thought. The reason why enlisting to go to an SA is discouraged is simply because enlisting is a commitment that introduces a lot of factors that aren't present in a high schooler's life. There is also no guarantee that you get an appointment or you'll be in a circumstance to reapply. If you stay civilian and don't get into USNA, you owe no commitment and you still have the flexibility to pursue other options. Enlisting locks you into serving. Nothing wrong with serving and I genuinely love the Navy, but I think can be lost on people sometimes. Once you are through training, there is nothing stopping the Navy from sending you to INDOPACOM, EUCOM, or CENTCOM to let our adversaries know what's up. That is what the military is for and we all know that going in, but joining the military is not a trivial matter.
Copy all, also remember if you’re going to SWCC, and then go to the academy, you’re leaving the teams forever. Yes you can go be a SEAL officer and get a tour with the SWCC teams, but you’ll never actually be a part of that warfare community again.
 
I could, but the out of pocket $ is still going to be a pretty big number even with an ROTC scholarship. I know everyone just says to take out student loans, but I have seen what my cousins are dealing with now that they have graduated from college with their loans, and I have big reservations. I could see a year and maybe reapply to USNA one more time, just because I have saved up enough for the first year, but if I didn't get in the second time, I just can't see taking on 3 more years of expenses. So instead of delaying one more year and potentially having to enlist anyway, thinking maybe I should just get it over with and enlist now, and if that doesn't work out, at least I have GI Bill once I am done.
I recently had a friend get a $140,000 full-ride scholarship with an ROTC scholarship. Not counting food (which you would have to pay for regardless of what you choose), he will be paying very little money for his college education.
 
I wanted some opinion about the situation I'm in and if I should go through with it. I'm currently on the Delayed Entry Program(DEP) for the marines(reserves) and I am going to bootcamp next week as a combat engineer. I am planning on attending college in January and I will be planning on reapplying to USNA if I don't get in. FYI, I never planned on enlisting to have a better chance in getting into USNA, it was quite the opposite. My recruiter was the one who told me about USNA and after some research, I made it my goal to get into USNA. The question I have is it fine if I start my college late to attend bootcamp and also what happens if I they have to discharge me for reasons like my MOS training affecting my college start date, whatever the reason. Will having a discharge make it worse for me to apply to USNA. Can they even discharge me even though I haven't gone to basic training?
 
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I wanted some opinion about the situation I'm in and if I should go through with it. I'm currently on the Delayed Entry Program(DEP) for the marines(reserves) and I am going to bootcamp next week as a combat engineer. I am planning on attending college in January and I will be planning on reapplying to USNA if I don't get in. FYI, I never planned on enlisting to have a better chance in getting into USNA, it was quite the opposite. My recruiter was the one who told me about USNA and after some research, I made it my goal to get into USNA. The question I have is it fine if I start my college late to attend bootcamp and also what happens if I they have to discharge me for reasons like my MOS training affecting my college start date, whatever the reason. Will having a discharge make it worse for me to apply to USNA. Can they even discharge me even though I haven't gone to basic training?
USNA doesn't really care about when you start college outside of you being eligible for admission. You already passed high school and you are within the age range. Plus, starting late for military training is a good excuse. That said, you are on Active Duty the day you ship out and are received by the Marine Corps Recruit Depot. That Active Duty period continues until you are complete with SOI and your MOS training. In other words, your full time job is the Marine Corps during that period. They are not going to discharge you so you can start college. They just spent a ton of money and time training you and getting you basically trained is the Marine Corps' priority. You might have to delay your school until the next quarter/semester. You can get "discharged" from DEP, but it is not a true discharge (i.e. generates a DD214 and a DD Form 256). This process is done locally via the Recruiting Station CO.
 
I wanted some opinion about the situation I'm in and if I should go through with it. I'm currently on the Delayed Entry Program(DEP) for the marines(reserves) and I am going to bootcamp next week as a combat engineer. I am planning on attending college in January and I will be planning on reapplying to USNA if I don't get in. FYI, I never planned on enlisting to have a better chance in getting into USNA, it was quite the opposite. My recruiter was the one who told me about USNA and after some research, I made it my goal to get into USNA. The question I have is it fine if I start my college late to attend bootcamp and also what happens if I they have to discharge me for reasons like my MOS training affecting my college start date, whatever the reason. Will having a discharge make it worse for me to apply to USNA. Can they even discharge me even though I haven't gone to basic training?
Just a heads up and you may have already discussed this with a recruiter, but you are on an extremely tight timeline if you have plans to make the spring semester. Frankly, it will be a miracle if you make it. I'm not saying that to be a jerk, just that even if you had no delays in picking up your class at MCT and Engineering school (which there is almost always some sort of waiting time) that already puts you in late December (at best). It's not uncommon to have to wait a month to pick up a class in courthouse bay. Just wanted to let you know ahead of time since you can make arrangements. Unfortunately, my brothers in the recruiting world sometimes leave out details like that. Just as a reference, boot camp was 2 weeks shorter when I went through. My MOS school was also 2 weeks shorter than the school you are attending. From the time my shoes hit the yellow footprints to the time I left MOS school, it was 181 days. And that was only with a 2 week wait to pick up my class.
 
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Have you run a Net Price Calculator for your State U to see how expensive college really is? Just because you don't have money for college, doesn't mean you cannot get financial aid. I would investigate that before I enlisted
 
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