exactly how does one go active duty from USMMA

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  1. kp2001

    kp2001 10-Year Member

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    Based on your level of tact and ability to communicate in a reasonable manner on this board I would bet there are other reasons this happened.
     
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    beyond KπΣ15' 5-Year Member

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    The RC in my class didn’t get a SWO spot. Admiral Buzby had to intervine.
     
  3. KP Eng

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    he must’ve had a really bad GPA. Trinkets on your midshipmen uniform won’t save you from a weak transcript.
     
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  4. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    Hmm...That would make sense, but they picked up multiple guys with weak transcripts and bad conduct (frat, alcohol, etc) for aviation. They got another guy that failed his PRT 5 times 1/c year for SWO and just went for the bare minimums. I guess its just the cycle.
     
  5. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    This demonstrates how it can be a numbers game and every year is different.

    That applies as much as getting in to KP as it does to getting whatever job you are looking for when getting out be it sailing, the military or whatever.
     
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  6. 1842

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    KP is sending our DS to Basic Airborne School soon at the end of his sophomore year. The mid who went a month before him got the "Honor Graduate". So, it's not true that KP can't prepare you well for a career in the US Army.
     
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  7. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ... 5-Year Member

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    I don't disagree with the underlying premise but that is a bit of a leap of logic.

    Success in a three week class that is run by and primarily used by the Army but is in truth a DoD school does not automatically equate to being prepared well for a career in the US Army. Being the Honor Graduate from Airborne School is a worthy achievement, no slight there, but jump school is only one task and it is an individual task. KP will not give you much if any of the technical knowledge one needs unless you are going to a ship (SWO, USCG cutters or NOAA). Being prepared well to be a career military officer means that you have the capacity to learn and grow into a leader of hundreds and possibly thousands of SSAMCG.

    I think like any commissioning source KP "CAN" prepare you well for any branch of service but whether or not it actually does depends on what you do with your time and the lessons learned. Whether or not KP prepares one well to be an Officer in the US Military first depends on what you think makes a good military officer. If you choose the wrong mentor or example you won't really learn much useful. Don't be swayed by someones rank or position. I have met O6s and FGOs that I thought were useless and I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. I've also met junior enlisted that I would follow into the proverbial gates of hell with a bucket of water.

    I would sum up my military education at KP as follows:
    1. I learned more what NOT to be like at KP than what to be like by observing both the Commandants staff and the assigned active duty liaisons.
    2. I learned a LOT through Sea-year lessons and experiences being taught and guided by ship's officers. How to lead and guide someone who can say screw you if they want to with minimal repercussions. That takes a real leader.
    3. Observing and listening to the enlisted around me as an ENS/LTJG. There are some things typical in officer-dom that do not exist in the enlisted world. How can you lead them if you don't understand them.
    4. Reading and absorbing books and stories by and about other Officers and leaders. I highly recommend "Its your Ship" by CDR Michael Abrashoff, "Steel my Soldiers hearts" by COL David Hackworth, and "Execution, the discipline of getting things done" by Larry Bossidy and Ram Charan

    I got some nice FITREPs from senior officers and flag officers, I was selected for command twice at LT and LCDR and as a LT I was put in charge of LCDRs and CDRs but I didn't take any of that to mean I was really a good officer or not. It just meant I fit a mold well enough and proved more proficient in particular tasks at a particular time.

    The most important thing to me was when one of my PO1s made Chief at his next unit and he asked me to come and pin one of his anchors on his uniform. That was my single proudest moment as a Naval Officer.
     
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  8. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    I agree, extrapolating doing well in airborne school to doing well in the Army is fallacious at best. But, for all the people wondering about going army: 2 people in my class 'transferred' to West Point. Transferring service academies is a daunting task. Makes no sense to go into KP wanting to be a 2nd LT in the Army.
     
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    deepdraft1 Master, Ocean Steam or Motor Vessels, unlimited 10-Year Member

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    I was thinking the same thing..
     
  10. kpmidmanguy20

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    I spoke to the guys who went to airborne school in my class. Two out of the three got ‘honor cadet,’ which I think is what you’re talking about, because im pretty sure thats what the most recent guy recieved as well. The award is given to the top graduate who is in a direct commissioning program, such as an academy or ROTC, that finishes the school. Meaning that if he was the only guy from an academy or ROTC in his unit, he gets the award automatically. Not to discount it or anything but one of the guys in my class who got it last year kind of got a kick out of the whole award presentation thing they did for the most recent guy here at KP. I may be wrong entirely and he actually did get ‘honor graduate,’ which I assume is a higher distinction awarded against consideration of the entire class. Anyways, good luck to your son, I’ve heard airborne school is a great experience.
     
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  11. 1842

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    Son is currently at Basic Airborne School at Ft Benning.

    1/2 of the 50 West Point Cadets in my son's company failed the PT test.
    2 of 10 Naval Academy Midshipmen failed the PT test
    None of the USMMA midshipmen failed the PT test.

    So far 183 of 500 failed the PT test yesterday, they get one more retry today and if they fail they are out. This includes enlisted Army soldiers who just graduated from basic training and AIT.
     
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  12. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    That's because there are probably only a few KP guys at the school. If there was a larger sample of the KP regiment at the school, USMMA would fail it at the same or greater rate.
     
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    None of the KP cadets have failed this year. There are currently 4 or so there this week, all past the PT test.
     
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  14. azmilmom

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    Statistically stronger regardless of lower numbers. Hope your son gains a lot from attending. Keep us posted.
     
  15. Mr2020

    Mr2020 U.S. Merchant Marine Academy '19

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    The population size is not large enough to be statistically significant. Therefore no conclusive results. They are not statistically anything.