Federalist Article by Former Cadet

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jeffinCharlotte said:
I hear you. We are not anti vax. This one is different and does not compare to any other I have seen in my life. The nefarious acts going on right now in our government surrounding this are unprecedented. Anyone with a moral compass can feel the disingenuous push with everything COVID 19. Saying no to this is much more than taking a vaccine shot. I took many shots when I served in the Navy and as a police officer and have no problem with vaccines at all. This one is different on many scales. My daughter is going to make her own decision and is not being pushed by me either way. I will support her no matter what she decides. Because honestly I don't really know if I am right! Or if this is the right thing to stand our ground on and fall on our sword over. The young lady in this article decided it was the right decision.
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It is different in some ways, COVID is different too and the age we live in is a very different one as well. I do think that we can become very self absorbed in our politics in the US, lose sight of the fact that this is a global crisis and that pretty much every government in the world is trying to figure out what to do with lockdowns, vaccines, mandates. Just in the last week the Netherlands went back into lockdown and the Australian Open announced they will not allow unvaccinated players to play. Even the political divides we see play out are not inevitable or fixed, in the UK the split on vaccine mandates is almost the reverse of ours. The right supporting them (read, everyone should get jabbed and get back to work, snowflakes too scared to take a shot should stay home and let the rest of us get on with it) and the left opposing them (read, vaccine mandates are just trying to suck us into a lifetime dependence of big pharma capitalism).

I am not saying that the political divide here is not real or meaningful. Just that this issue is messy and changing and sometimes some countries are getting in right and sometimes some countries are getting it totally wrong. One day the crisis will pass and I wonder, if those people in the original post look back at the end of their military careers 10 years from now will they feel that their reasons aged well? To me it seems that your daughter has a choice to (in the words of an earlier poster) die on this hill, or to take the jab and get on with living her dream. It's a no brainer of a choice to me but I guess we all have to pick our hills. All the very best to her and you.
 
Emsa said:
It is different in some ways, COVID is different too and the age we live in is a very different one as well. I do think that we can become very self absorbed in our politics in the US, lose sight of the fact that this is a global crisis and that pretty much every government in the world is trying to figure out what to do with lockdowns, vaccines, mandates. Just in the last week the Netherlands went back into lockdown and the Australian Open announced they will not allow unvaccinated players to play. Even the political divides we see play out are not inevitable or fixed, in the UK the split on vaccine mandates is almost the reverse of ours. The right supporting them (read, everyone should get jabbed and get back to work, snowflakes too scared to take a shot should stay home and let the rest of us get on with it) and the left opposing them (read, vaccine mandates are just trying to suck us into a lifetime dependence of big pharma capitalism).

I am not saying that the political divide here is not real or meaningful. Just that this issue is messy and changing and sometimes some countries are getting in right and sometimes some countries are getting it totally wrong. One day the crisis will pass and I wonder, if those people in the original post look back at the end of their military careers 10 years from now will they feel that their reasons aged well? To me it seems that your daughter has a choice to (in the words of an earlier poster) die on this hill, or to take the jab and get on with living her dream. It's a no brainer of a choice to me but I guess we all have to pick our hills. All the very best to her and you.
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Thank you very much! We received our nomination from our senator Thom Tillis on Friday. My daughter has told me today that she will get the shot. So that is that. Her biggest problem with the vaccine and Covid 19 is how it originated from the beginning. The theory for her is it was dispersed into the world on purpose. She hopes she is wrong and so do I. A decision has been made. We hope it is the right one!
 
jeffinCharlotte said:
Thank you very much! We received our nomination from our senator Thom Tillis on Friday. My daughter has told me today that she will get the shot. So that is that. Her biggest problem with the vaccine and Covid 19 is how it originated from the beginning. The theory for her is it was dispersed into the world on purpose. She hopes she is wrong and so do I. A decision has been made. We hope it is the right one!
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"We" received "our" nomination. Awesome, a family package deal.

"Her biggest problem with the vaccine and Covid 19 is how it originated from the beginning. The theory for her is it was dispersed into the world on purpose. She hopes she is wrong and so do I."
What does that have to do with protecting oneself from a disease? I'm pleased to see however she will get the shot.

Also, I wrote somewhere in the forum a few weeks ago the mutation that follows the Delta variant will be worse than Delta. Hopefully I was wrong and this one isn't it. This new variant will probably get its Greek name today.

 
jeffinCharlotte said:
Thank you very much! We received our nomination from our senator Thom Tillis on Friday. My daughter has told me today that she will get the shot. So that is that. Her biggest problem with the vaccine and Covid 19 is how it originated from the beginning. The theory for her is it was dispersed into the world on purpose. She hopes she is wrong and so do I. A decision has been made. We hope it is the right one!
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What are her qualifications for her to determine the origins of the virus? Congrats on the nomination!
 
A1Janitor said:
...the CDC came out and admitted they have no known case of a person who had covid (natural immunity) previously that transmitted covid to anyone else...
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You have stated this multiple times, but have not provided a link.

Where is this admission posted?
 
A1Janitor said:
www.riotimesonline.com

Covid-19: CDC confirms it keeps no records of cases with natural immunity re-infecting themselves or infecting others - The Rio Times

The CDC responded in a letter dated Nov. 5. "A search of our records did not reveal any documents related to your request," a CDC
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The article is a good read. This was all over twitter.
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Yes, from "The Rio Times" and under the "curated alternative narratives" section of that outlet. It does not appear to be an "article" in the sense that the word "article" is known when it comes to journalism.

Another "story" in that section is titled "Covid-19: 22 scientific studies show that vaccine mandates are NOT based on science"

As stated by the Rio Times: "The Rio Times Staff is a network of freelance journalists and bloggers from all over Latin America who keep us informed about news from their regions. This information is collected, checked and processed in our newsroom."

No authors and no dates on what they call "posts" on each page.


Not certain if this is where I would get my information, but to each their own!
 
FiveByFive said:
Yes, from "The Rio Times" and under the "curated alternative narratives" section of that outlet. It does not appear to be an "article" in the sense that the word "article" is known when it comes to journalism.

Another "story" in that section is titled "Covid-19: 22 scientific studies show that vaccine mandates are NOT based on science"

As stated by the Rio Times: "The Rio Times Staff is a network of freelance journalists and bloggers from all over Latin America who keep us informed about news from their regions. This information is collected, checked and processed in our newsroom."

No authors and no dates on what they call "posts" on each page.


Not certain if this is where I would get my information, but to each their own!
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That was the first link I found.

Again, it was all over twitter based on a FOIA request and response from the CDC. Our government and MSM and big tech censor information that doesn’t fit their narrative.

Believe what you want. That is your right. We can accept CNN or MSNBC. If we did we would have believed the Russia hoax.
 
A1Janitor said:
That was the first link I found.

Again, it was all over twitter based on a FOIA request and response from the CDC. Our government and MSM and big tech censor information that doesn’t fit their narrative.

Believe what you want. That is your right. We can accept CNN or MSNBC. If we did we would have believed the Russia hoax.
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I never said that anyone needed to "accept CNN or MSNBC" or any other outlet.

The response to the FOIA request said they do not track the data, not that the data doesn't exist.

The censorship comment is odd for a number of reasons, especially for someone that comments so much on such a heavily-moderated forum.

I find that "news" sources that actually have a date, author and other pertinent information listed to be generally more trustworthy than a "source" that has no identifying information.

If the science bothers you, you can ignore it and that is your right. The problem is that when individuals ignore the science by not wearing a mask, saying they have "better" immunity from already being infected (and don't need to be vaccinated), refuse to be vaccinated at all, etc., we all end up with an extended pandemic (soon to be endemic), variants such as Omicron and continued, crippling effects on businesses, schools and everyday activities in our collective lives.


pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

SARS-CoV-2 variant prediction and antiviral drug design are enabled by RBD in vitro evolution - PubMed

SARS-CoV-2 variants of interest and concern will continue to emerge for the duration of the COVID-19 pandemic. To map mutations in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the spike protein that affect binding to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), the receptor for SARS-CoV-2, we applied in...
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www.thelancet.com

The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-CoV-2: a comparative evolutionary study

The timeframe for reinfection is fundamental to numerous aspects of public health decision making. As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, reinfection is likely to become increasingly common. Maintaining public health measures that curb transmission—including among individuals who were previously...
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(^The Lancet-published piece "The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-CoV-2: a comparative evolutionary study")

www.bmj.com

Effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality: systematic review and meta-analysis

Objective To review the evidence on the effectiveness of public health measures in reducing the incidence of covid-19, SARS-CoV-2 transmission, and covid-19 mortality. Design Systematic review and meta-analysis. Data sources Medline, Embase, CINAHL, Biosis, Joanna Briggs, Global Health, and...
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Bushrod said:
What are her qualifications for her to determine the origins of the virus? Congrats on the nomination!
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Thank you. She has no qualifications other than common sense. Until proven otherwise it is her opinion that Covid 19 is an inside job therefore all and any vaccine for it is useless. Many believe this. Many however will not say this publicly and are scared. Most will take this vaccine to save their careers or to have more of a normal life. She/we nor anyone that I know that believes this cant prove this. So she will get in line and follow orders. At this time she will not fall on her sword over this and will not in the future unless something drastically changes. She has decided to go along with our leaders even though she does not agree with them.
 
Best of luck to your daughter. Glad she made the decision to get vaccinated. The Army is about readiness of the collective, not individual opinions/rights - your daughter will sacrifice some rights and options by choosing to serve. It may be difficult to serve if she fundamentally does not trust her chain of command up to POTUS.
 
FiveByFive said:
Covid is an "inside job" and "therefore all and any vaccine for it is useless"?

Her "common sense" leads her to these opinions? Really
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My "common sense" decided I'd rather get the vaccine (3x) than a freedom tube. My freshman AROTC cadet will get his booster over Christmas break.
 
FiveByFive said:
Covid is an "inside job" and "therefore all and any vaccine for it is useless"?

Her "common sense" leads her to these opinions? Really?
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Yes really. I think the same way. And a lot of other people do as well. They are just not popular to share because you will be excoriated! No proof just an opinion. This whole thing is making a lot of people question their sanity.
 
Bushrod said:
My "common sense" decided I'd rather get the vaccine (3x) than a freedom tube. My freshman AROTC cadet will get his booster over Christmas break.
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Well that is great. Looks like we have different common sense metrics. I hope all goes well for your cadet.
 
jkm66 said:
Best of luck to your daughter. Glad she made the decision to get vaccinated. The Army is about readiness of the collective, not individual opinions/rights - your daughter will sacrifice some rights and options by choosing to serve. It may be difficult to serve if she fundamentally does not trust her chain of command up to POTUS.
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Like alot of people are saying and myself included. I have never felt this way about something. Ever. But there are forks in many roads in life. She has decided to trust her chain of command until she can't. Then it be will time to get out. But until then we are going to trust fully.
 
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jeffinCharlotte said:
Thank you. To me it is obvious what is happening.
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Okay, I'll grant that is what COULD have happened but that has nothing to do with whether or not a vaccine could or would work.
Until it was deemed to be illegal, many nations worked on bio weapons and crucial to any bio-weapons research was a means to PROTECT ones own forces/population.

The statistics here are overwhelming that the vaccines DO help and while the figure of 20K deaths among vaccinated people that I've seen is a lot, it is still a VERY small piece of the death toll during the time since vaccines have been on the scene.
 
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