mbleykhman
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Based on experience or any information, how long can it take for the graduate to get first assignment? Also, can it take months? Years? Any limit after which commitment can be canceled?
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Pima
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Which branch? It will never take years.
For the AF, 6-9 months is at the top end of the spectrum, and rare for reporting to their 1st assignment.
~ Caveat, rated can report 5 months after commissioning, but not start their rated school for 9 months. They are basically on casual status. ADAF, working the flight line as an O1 is an example of casual status.
For the AF, 6-9 months is at the top end of the spectrum, and rare for reporting to their 1st assignment.
~ Caveat, rated can report 5 months after commissioning, but not start their rated school for 9 months. They are basically on casual status. ADAF, working the flight line as an O1 is an example of casual status.
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AF not rated. Graduated this year so already pushing 7 months. Hopefully they tell early next year
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Since you graduated around 7 months back, couple of questions from newbie ( DD a junior in HS).
- Are you employed in a civil job?
- if not employed in civil job and waiting for assignment, your AD time clock has not started yet. Is that correct?
- if not employed civil, are you employed by AF while waiting for assignment? , do you get paid a 2d LT pay?
- if you are employed in civil job and assignment comes, your civil job will pause ( join after your AD) Is that right?
- Are you employed in a civil job?
- if not employed in civil job and waiting for assignment, your AD time clock has not started yet. Is that correct?
- if not employed civil, are you employed by AF while waiting for assignment? , do you get paid a 2d LT pay?
- if you are employed in civil job and assignment comes, your civil job will pause ( join after your AD) Is that right?
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Their clock will not start until they report to their 1st assignment.
~ Our DS is a pilot. He reported for casual status in Sept. although his UPT class did not start until April. His clock started in Sept. Since he went on and winged The following March, his AF commitment requirement was moved again due to UPT.
~ In essence, the commitment that they originally sign, (4 yrs) can move if they are sent to a specific school. It is changed to the date of the completion and whatever amount of time that they require them to stay.
I am not sure what you mean by civil job. Are you talking about a GS position? Most AFROTC cadets will usually go and work somewhere, but corporations are not held to holding their position. AFROTC grads go ADAF, not Guard or Reserve.
~ Honestly, I can't see why they would want it held even if they offered it. Think about it from the aspect that as an officer during those 4 yrs., they are going to get a lot of managerial experience. Most cadets wait 6-9 months b4 reporting. If they entered a position, it would be entry level, 4 yrs later they would not want to come back to that same entry level.
~~ Only speaking for people I know that served in the ADAF, including those that were computer science majors. After 4 yrs. they have also networked with people at companies like Lockheed, L3, Booz Allan, Rand, Raytheon, etc. They than slide over to companies like these bc they are highly sought after due to security clearances and the fact they understand the military. Some also go Government, i.e. GS, because they do get an edge from an employment aspect.
The reason it is not more than a yr., is because everyone from the FY19 commissioning group will have to be ADAF for that career field b4 they start sending anyone from the FY20 group. The very 1st for FY20 will be USAFA grads. It is not unusual for the tail end of the previous yr groups to have more AFROTC/OCS students with a smattering of USAFA.
In the end her pay will be tied to her commissioning date.
~ IE she commissioned May 2019. Reports Mar 2020. She will get her 2 yr pay bump May 2021, not March 2022.
~ Her rank will be different. They will take her commission date and her report date, than avg the time between the 2 dates. In that scenario, she would make 1st Lt. Oct/Nov 2021. That date will remain for making O3 too. Whereas, USAFA grads will only have 1 date since they go ADAF right out the gate.
~ It gets even crazier for rated officers. My DS has 3 dates where he gets pay bumps. Commission date, than his rank date, than his UPT flight date. For him it is May, July and April.
Their clock will not start until they report to their 1st assignment.
~ Our DS is a pilot. He reported for casual status in Sept. although his UPT class did not start until April. His clock started in Sept. Since he went on and winged The following March, his AF commitment requirement was moved again due to UPT.
~ In essence, the commitment that they originally sign, (4 yrs) can move if they are sent to a specific school. It is changed to the date of the completion and whatever amount of time that they require them to stay.
I am not sure what you mean by civil job. Are you talking about a GS position? Most AFROTC cadets will usually go and work somewhere, but corporations are not held to holding their position. AFROTC grads go ADAF, not Guard or Reserve.
~ Honestly, I can't see why they would want it held even if they offered it. Think about it from the aspect that as an officer during those 4 yrs., they are going to get a lot of managerial experience. Most cadets wait 6-9 months b4 reporting. If they entered a position, it would be entry level, 4 yrs later they would not want to come back to that same entry level.
~~ Only speaking for people I know that served in the ADAF, including those that were computer science majors. After 4 yrs. they have also networked with people at companies like Lockheed, L3, Booz Allan, Rand, Raytheon, etc. They than slide over to companies like these bc they are highly sought after due to security clearances and the fact they understand the military. Some also go Government, i.e. GS, because they do get an edge from an employment aspect.
They typically will drop their orders 6 weeks prior. It is not uncommon for a 6-9 month wait. I would have her call her old det and ask them if her orders are about to drop. My assumption is her AFSC pipeline is slowed down. IOWS they can't push them through fast enough for that training school. This does happen. The fact is they have a limited number they can have with each training class, if that yr they have a higher amount, than the line gets longer, along with the wait time.
The reason it is not more than a yr., is because everyone from the FY19 commissioning group will have to be ADAF for that career field b4 they start sending anyone from the FY20 group. The very 1st for FY20 will be USAFA grads. It is not unusual for the tail end of the previous yr groups to have more AFROTC/OCS students with a smattering of USAFA.
In the end her pay will be tied to her commissioning date.
~ IE she commissioned May 2019. Reports Mar 2020. She will get her 2 yr pay bump May 2021, not March 2022.
~ Her rank will be different. They will take her commission date and her report date, than avg the time between the 2 dates. In that scenario, she would make 1st Lt. Oct/Nov 2021. That date will remain for making O3 too. Whereas, USAFA grads will only have 1 date since they go ADAF right out the gate.
~ It gets even crazier for rated officers. My DS has 3 dates where he gets pay bumps. Commission date, than his rank date, than his UPT flight date. For him it is May, July and April.
If you graduated & commissioned seven months ago, you should already have a Report No Later Than Date. If not then talk with the folks at your ROTC unit. What's your AFSC?
My son is AF. Graduated in early May 2018 and was at Vance by June and started pilot training by August. He was supposed to go to Columbus in September but he was 1 of 3 in the country to be changed. Lucky him. However his speediness has bitten him in the butt. He was supposed to start training on his new plane in December but since they added some more students to the class they had to delay some others. They went based on who spent the least amount of time doing nothing and he won that and is now his training is being delayed by 5 months.