FTP Leadership Positions

"Quick question of Commanders Ranking. If the Enrollment Allocation packages are already sent up, what's to stop top cadets from slacking (not saying they will)?"

Nothing. Its not right, but they normally ease off the gas spring semester.

Rankings really wont change unless a major infraction occurs (legal involvement/indifference to training). Its not too big of a deal because slacking off normally entails spending less time memorizing ranks, marching procedures and dorm maintenance and spending that new time on academics. FTP and FT really are not that difficult, its tough at the time simply because its a new thing. In the big picture perspective its a pretty simple and achievable task.
 
Maybe it depends on the detachment. My DS still attends (optional) extra drill on Thursday's and Sundays....
 
Since we are on the topic of SFT, has anyone heard any new news on how many EA slots will be available this year? Also any news on how the rated board twist will affect EA selection?
 
Well, after EA packages go out is usually when they really ramp up the training. FTP cadets get extra FT prep sessions outside of LLab and separate more intense PT work outs from the rest of the wing. This is the semester where 200s are generally stretched to their limits.

Most likely if it appears like someone is slacking off in LLab, they've probably taken all the energy they put into doing extra things like volunteering and recruiting events in the beginning of the semester when CC rankings where the most important thing, and are now putting it into all the extra FTP activities and in keeping their grades up. Grades are just as big this semester as they were last semester because if your term GPA is below a 2.5, you will be on probation and not technically a POC the next semester.

I wouldn't say "slacking off" a bit mid semester is a ding against anyone's character since this generally just indicates a change in focus from ROTC to academics like Kevster said. We are students first after all, and no one would recommend you continue to volunteer time you don't have when it would be better spent making sure your grades are good. However, someone who practically disappears from ROTC altogether AND doesn't make any kind of effort toward extra FTP will be noticed. This rarely happens, the cadets I've seen do this didn't really have what it took to get an EA anyways and didn't.
 
I've heard sub-2.5 tGPA is a conditional event as a non-contracted cadet and will not be an issue in regards to POC. I am curious of this, is it at the discretion of the Cadre? Could they kick you out for one incident of academic issues?

I am a 250 so I have no idea.
 
Well the way I see it ...if a cadet is ramping up their training, getting extra FT prep sessions outside of LLab, have separate more intense PT work outs and are generally stretched to their limits..... there's a pretty good chance that they are NOT guilty of slacking off ... just saying...
 
ERAUMattmom said:
Well the way I see it ...if a cadet is ramping up their training, getting extra FT prep sessions outside of LLab, have separate more intense PT work outs and are generally stretched to their limits..... there's a pretty good chance that they are NOT guilty of slacking off ... just saying...
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Sure, but it may not be percieved that way by say a 100 cadet who can only see the loss of focus during regular LLab hours and not all the extra stuff going on with the 200s.

Capt. Ahab,

Yes, typically a term 2.5 is a conditional event and doesn't apply to non-contracted cadets for the first 2 years. But we were told by our Education Officer that in order to contract as a POC, you cannot have below a 2.5 term gpa for the spring before FT. It doesn't matter if your cgpa is well above that, if you pull less than a 2.5 this semester you will not be able to become a POC until the next semester where you can up up your tgpa. It happens. There are cadets who have gotten an EA, had a poor spring tgpa, went to FT and then went back to school on probation for AFROTC. You can still take the AS 300 class, but you cannot have a position or function as a POC until you fix your gpa. You are called a pursuing student, you have to be eligible to contract as a POC within 1 academic term or within 10 working days of the next term.

From the AFROTCI36-2011:

4.26.4. Cadets must meet minimum CGPA requirements to compete for an EA (reference
Attachment 13 and Chapter 8 of this instruction). Non-contract cadets must have both a
TGPA and CGPA of 2.5 to contract into the POC. Non-contract cadets will lose their
previously awarded EA if they fail to achieve a CGPA of 2.5 by the end of the Spring
semester. However, non-contract cadets are authorized to attend FT if they have a CGPA of
2.5 or greater yet they have a substandard Spring TGPA. Upon successful completion of FT,
non-contract cadets are placed in pursuing status for one semester to meet the TGPA
standard. Failure to meet the TGPA standard within one semester will result in dismissal.
Contract cadets who do not meet Spring TGPA standards are awarded a CE IAW Table 4.2
and processed for disenrollment IAW Table 4.1 if necessary; otherwise they enter the POC
upon successful completion of FT. Contract cadets are not authorized to attend FT while
undergoing a disenrollment investigation.
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Non Ducor Duco --

Did you have to type all that.....I don't know how to cut and paste anything that is on Adobe Reader... seriously...send me a PM and teach me how.... or did you pay for the conversion from Adobe to Word??
 
ERAUMattmom said:
Non Ducor Duco --

Did you have to type all that.....I don't know how to cut and paste anything that is on Adobe Reader... seriously...send me a PM and teach me how.... or did you pay for the conversion from Adobe to Word??
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Sent a PM.
 
I just went to double check the most current AFROTCI 36-2011 which is dated August 12 2013....

There is NO section 4.26.4.

What year publication did you copy that from?
 
ERAUMattmom said:
I just went to double check the most current AFROTCI 36-2011 which is dated August 12 2013....

There is NO section 4.26.4.

What year publication did you copy that from?
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The one I quoted was from 2012, but the same information is in the 2013 version, it's just in section 4.25.4 now.
 
Not that it's really going to matter this year ...but according to the chart referenced in 4.25.4......page 264 attachment #12...only a 2.0 is needed for CPGA for EA .
Read 4.25.4 more carefully...states must meet all requirements as outlined in chapter8 and attachment 12...

....2.0 min CGPA for EA 2.5 min CGPA to contract

Just trying to make sure that the information that we are putting out there is as accurate as possible.......I doubt that a cadet with a 2.0 will have a packet submitted anyway...
 
ERAUMattmom said:
Not that it's really going to matter this year ...but according to the chart referenced in 4.25.4......page 264 attachment #12...only a 2.0 is needed for CPGA for EA .
Read 4.25.4 more carefully...states must meet all requirements as outlined in chapter8 and attachment 12...

....2.0 min CGPA for EA 2.5 min CGPA to contract

Just trying to make sure that the information that we are putting out there is as accurate as possible.......I doubt that a cadet with a 2.0 will have a packet submitted anyway...
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No...if you look back at that chart it says that you must have a CGPA of 2.5 to go to FT and that you must have at least a 2.0 term GPA, this is where they look at the spring. This is a hard rule that they are very strict on. I know a 200 whose CGPA is only a few 100ths of a point short of the 2.5 CGPA minimum, their packet cannot be entered for this yr despite them being a top cadet in all other categories, they are continuing as a 500 next yr so they can fix their GPA. You may be looking at the part that says there is a 2.0 CGPA min for entering AFROTC in general, but it clearly says that that you need a 2.5 CGPA to go to FT and a 2.5 CGPA and term GPA to contract as a POC. If you have a CGPA of 2.5+, but get lower than 2.5 for this semester you can go to FT, but will come back as a pursuing student that has 1 semester to bring up your term GPA or you will be disenrolled.

Anyone who entered this semester with a CGPA of less than 2.5 has already either been told to leave or that their packets will not be submitted but are being given another year to improve.

Point is, 2nd yr in AFROTC is not the year to let your grades take a deep plunge. Some cadets like to pump up their GPA for EAs by taking relatively easier classes in the fall 2nd year, then taking some of the harder classes for that year in the spring b/c they think their GPA won't matter by then. Anyone thinking of doing this in the future should really consider what they can handle by then and if it's worth risking losing that EA if things go really poorly or going to FT but not returning as a POC.
 
typo on my part should have read
Not that it's really going to matter this year ...but according to the chart referenced in 4.25.4......page 264 attachment #12...only a 2.0 is needed for TPGA for EA .(not CPGA )

Read 4.25.4 more carefully...states must meet all requirements as outlined in chapter8 and attachment 12...

also in 8.3.2 states that Cadets competing for an EA from PSP must have a CGPA of a least 2.5 on a 4.0 scale .. AND .TGPA IS NOT A FACTOR FOR ELIGIBILITY

You had stated " But we were told by our Education Officer that in order to contract as a POC, you cannot have below a 2.5 term gpa for the spring before FT. It doesn't matter if your cgpa is well above that, if you pull less than a 2.5 this semester you will not be able to become a POC until the next semester where you can up up your tgpa."

It seems that different parts of the same publication have conflicting information.

I still am having issues cutting and pasting from the adobe reader for AFROTCI36-2011....or I would have already put the chart on one of my posts... If you can cut and paste to this forum attachment 12 please do so that others can see what we are debating....

Once again I concede the fact that a 2.0 or a 2.5 isn't going to get you where you need to be.....Just want to make sure the end result is that accurate info is getting put out there......so if it's me that's still getting it wrong...straighten me out pronto....
 
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JMPO, but does it really matter whether it is 2.0 or 2.5 according to their reg? The fact is even the 2.5 is not going to cut it for SFT selection when the avg is 3.1 for tech and 3.3 for non-tech.

2.5 even for one semester as a freshman can ding you a lot. The main reason is due to the fact that the board will meet when the cadet has completed 3 semesters. Assuming that each semester the cadet always carries 18 credits, to get that one semester of 2.5 to a 3.1 cgpa, they need one semester that is @3.1, and another to be at least 3.6.

No offense, you can argue the reg until the cows come home, but the fact is that is the min. It is like saying for the AFROTC scholarship that the candidate needs a min SAT of...., but the reality is the min just won't cut it. The posted min exists for nothing more than a CYA perspective

Off topic, just have to say if any poster needs to find regs, I will refer them to you guys. Your posts have taught this old dog alot from a regulation perspective. I am impressed and feel inadequate right now.

I would impress upon every cadet/candidate that there is no semester to take a deep plunge. Want rated, guess what? Your spring 200 and fall 300 will be a factor for OML. Want non-rated, the same is true, but add in spring 300. The AF is also cutting personnel, plunge fall 400 year and they can yank your commission. IOWS for your entire collegiate career there is no skating for a semester, not if you want to get all of your dreams. That means commissioning and AFSC
 
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Exactly why I ended my post by conceding the fact that 2.5 or worse 2.0 will get you nothing...

My concern was solely in making sure that the facts readers are getting are accurate.....

I myself kept thinking in my head that cgpa was current gpa....and not cumulative gpa.......in doing so I misspoke in at least one of my posts....

That however might have had something more to do with the glass of wine that I had with dinner....
 
More food for thought......(maybe it's the dinner wine....)

Curious to whether cadets that are on an approved 5 year plan to complete their engineering degree might get passed over for an EA this summer for cadets that are on a 4 year plan.....

Cadets that are on an approved 5 year plan could realistically go to SFT NEXT YEAR since they still have 3 more years to go...

Just something to think about...
 
I would hope not since that would mean another year as a GMC. I am pretty sure the EA packets sent to the board does not include that info, but don't quote me on that!
 
While making every effort to convert to an optimist....when any kind of stress is involved....I revert to my old ways of that of a pessimist (hate it).....and start to brainstorm.(with myself)....of things that could possibly go wrong...

Unfortunately for you all....I found this forum to be an excellent place to share them.....just for "arguments" sake.....

In defense of myself...I quite often come up with good debatable questions......but you know what they say.. "they can't all be winners"
 
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