Gender Gap

[Oldsalt]

NavyLady,
Thank you for your daughters service.
I am sorry if you feel any of my posts were meant to disrespect your daughter, they were not. They are posted to create awareness and consideration, nothing more.
My DD is in a similar situation, a first board awardee deciding where she will attend college.
Facts are facts. I have had many conversations with my DD as to the challenges she will face in her career. Denying bias exists does not serve anyone. Understanding them and how to present yourself is part of the key to success.

The challenge with having quotas is, if you fall into a category, everyone will assume you got there because of a quota. You have have to prove yourself twice as much.
Is this right? Is this fair? No, but most things in life aren't.

Good luck to your daughter!
OS

 

[kinnem]

I don't think anyone has crossed a line but let's make sure we keep it civil.

 

[k2rider]

NavyLady,
Thank you for your daughters service.
I am sorry if you feel any of my posts were meant to disrespect your daughter, they were not. They are posted to create awareness and consideration, nothing more.
My DD is in a similar situation, a first board awardee deciding where she will attend college.
Facts are facts. I have had many conversations with my DD as to the challenges she will face in her career. Denying bias exists does not serve anyone. Understanding them and how to present yourself is part of the key to success.

The challenge with having quotas is, if you fall into a category, everyone will assume you got there because of a quota. You have have to prove yourself twice as much.
Is this right? Is this fair? No, but most things in life aren't.

Good luck to your daughter!
OS

Exactly....and I have a daughter that went thru ROTC as well so I have no bias. Nothing anybody said was meant to discredit anybody.

 

[Sledge]

Wasn't it Orwell who sagely said, "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night knowing gender-equal formations stand ready to spread egalitarianism on their behalf?"

 

[Tex232]

The service academies/ROTC is only one facet of the military that has been permeated with this AA crap. The various combat arms courses offered by the different branches are lowering their standards for women just so that they can pass (or in some cases, lowering the standards for everyone just so the females can pass and so that it can be said that the female-male standards were the same).

 

[SpadGuy]

https://www.chronicle.com/ has articles on males being underrepresented.

and in 1,000 small colleges where the ratio of females/males is 60/40 AA is rewarded to males.

Source?

Also, the definition of AA is that it’s to account for traditionally underrepresented groups so saying that it’s “rewarded to males” makes no sense if we are considering females to be underrepresented.

 

[1337BeachedWhale1337]

Versus some of the males (and some my DD encountered along the way) who think - "hey I played football in high school, hunt, and play World of Warcraft better than all my friends - so I should definitely get an ROTC scholarship." Give me a break. The attitude of *some* on this thread undermines your son's future in whichever branch he chooses, teaches him to disrespect his female cadre/shipmates, gives him permission to make excuses for his own shortcomings rather than working to correct them, and generally promotes a lack of esprit d'corps - all things that are the antithesis of the values held by the Army, Navy, and the Air Force. So, if they aren't up to upholding those values, perhaps they should seek a different career.

I find it quite troubling that sexist posts like this are getting "liked" by so many people.

Because fewer females, in general, even seek this type of career, those that do are *especially committed* to it and therefore their competitive pool by gender is actually quite high.

Could you please link me to the site where you found this information? I'm guessing you drew this conclusion by looking at information regarding service academy/ROTC retention rates by gender or something of that nature, but I've never seen this statistic before and would be quite interested in seeing it; that, or you simply made it up.

 

[1337BeachedWhale1337]

https://www.chronicle.com/ has articles on males being underrepresented.

and in 1,000 small colleges where the ratio of females/males is 60/40 AA is rewarded to males.

Source?

Also, the definition of AA is that it’s to account for traditionally underrepresented groups so saying that it’s “rewarded to males” makes no sense if we are considering females to be underrepresented.

I'm not sure how posting a website that has articles on males being underrepresented shows that affirmative action is rewarded to males based on their gender. In many colleges Asians are severely underrepresented, but those same Asians still do not receive affirmative action based on their race. Proving that some colleges have more males than females does not prove that affirmative action is being awarded to males at those colleges.

 

[kinnem]

Although this started out as a legitimate question it seems to have wandered far afield. I'm moving the thread to 'Off Topic'.

 

[cb7893]

@kinnem ,

Did you consider moving it all the way to "Ad Absurdum"?