General Milley and "the book" ???

JMHO, but Milley went WAY TOO FAR!! This was not his call to make and lacking any facts or evidence of CIC "falling off the edge" his actions really scare me. There are Constitutional Mechanisms for dealing with this issue but Milley is not part of that. For a military leader to plainly overstep civilian leadership (as designated) with no "Facts" simply his opinion scares me. What happens if we have a CJCS who is a hawk, does not like a President's actions or thoughts on a country, and thinks the President is "soft" then decides on his or her own to launch an attack (non nuclear) on another country to get us involved in a war that could escalate? The CJCS is "supposed" to be A-Political, Milley was not and should not remain in his post!
 
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If true he needs to step down or be let go immediately if not sooner without any pension. If he was worried about Trumps mental state he has to believe Biden is beyond mentally unstable. Biden doesn’t know where he is most of the time and definitely is not a Leader…
 
Not the first time the US military took steps to protect the country against a very likely unbalanced potus.

it will not be the last.

I heard from my sources President trump was not going to attack China.

I heard he wanted to arrest whoever stole the strawberry’s from the WH mess.

My sources claim he had proven beyond a doubt that someone stole his strawberry’s.
 
bruno said:
Certainly it seems pretty reasonable to me for Gen Miley as the CJCS to reassure the Chinese that the United States was not spinning out of control
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Reasonably? Under what authority? Its acutally not reasonable, and its hard for me to believe he did it.

Addtionally, the issue with the call was that he reassured General Li, of the People's Liberation Army, that he would warn him ahead of time of an attack. We need to know if he actually made both those calls. General Milley needs to comment, but he's probably hiding now. I'm sure he was warned that this was coming out.
 
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Reasonably? Under what authority? Its acutally not reasonable, and its hard for me to believe he did it.

Addtionally, the issue with the call was that he reassured General Li, of the People's Liberation Army, that he would warn him ahead of time of an attack. We need to know if he actually made both those calls. General Milley needs to comment, but he's probably hiding now. I'm sure he was warned that this was coming out.
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I saw that there are transcripts of all his phone calls over the years.

They should be released.
 
I also have a difficult time believing he did this.

I don't like or trust Bob Woodward. The general should say if he did it or did not make the call. If he did, he should resign. If he did not, Simon & Schuster should pull the book off the shelves.
 
bruno said:
So- how about in the final days of Watergate when the SecDef (Schlesinger) set up a safety loop to prevent Nixon from executing a military strike without his or Kissinger's (SecState) approval? They did that because they were concerned that the President of the United States was unstable at that point and might use his authority to unleash the unthinkable as a diversion . So was that wrong? https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...d-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478/
Certainly it seems pretty reasonable to me for Gen Miley as the CJCS to reassure the Chinese that the United States was not spinning out of control with an potentially unhinged chief executive with his finger on the button. It seems a darn sight better than the alternative which was to let them guess if the President- the same President who was egging on a crowd intent on overthrowing the Government- was unhinged, unconstrained and potentially an existential danger. And it seems like an odd comparison to a banana republic when the action was reassuring the Civilian leadership of the other branches of the Government, that the Military was not going to be used to allow an overthrow of the election. His and all Officer's oaths are to support and defend the Constitution- which from what I can see was what he told the leaders of the House and Senate as well as the members of the Armed Forces underneath him. Hardly a Banana Republic act.
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I just finished a PM to an SAF member in which I said:

If Henry Kissinger, after sitting through one of President Nixon's drunken rants, wasn't on the phone with Al Haig, who didn't immediately call Andrei Grechko, I wouldn't just be surprised. I'd be pi$$ed.

...looking like a Banana Republic. We surely wouldn't want that, making Lafayette Square look like Iwo Jima.
 
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I just finished a PM to an SAF member in which I said:

If Henry Kissinger, after sitting through one of President Nixon's drunken rants, wasn't on the phone with Al Haig, who didn't immediately call Andrei Grechko, I wouldn't just be surprised. I'd be pi$$ed.

...looking like a Banana Republic. We surely wouldn't want that, making Lafayette Square look like Iwo Jima.
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Or the Kabul airport. Or Southern border. Or COVID response.
 
cb7893 said:
If Henry Kissinger, after sitting through one of President Nixon's drunken rants, wasn't on the phone with Al Haig, who didn't immediately call Andrei Grechko, I wouldn't just be surprised. I'd be pi$$ed.
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I'm sure Ted Kennedy was on the phone to the Soviets as usual......
 
NJROTC-CC said:
No comment. Many responses to this thread ARE political IMHO.
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I guess, technically, Miley’ duty was to only follow orders. So, he should have said and done nothing and then merely resign if he determined that he had been given an illegal order. Then, the order passes to the next officer in the chain of command, and so on, and so on, until one officer carries out the order. There will always be someone down the line who will follow an illegal order. EVERYONE will not resign. So where does that leave us? I think in a bad place. This would be an excellent topic to discuss in ethics classes in military colleges.
 
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If he was really that concerned, he should have resigned in protest. He could have done that publically if it was really an imminent threat. It was not his job to do what he did (if the allegations are true)
 
Press secretary just lauded General Milley, said he has the President's trust and respect.

If the allegations by Woodward are true, this is treason. I don't care what party is in power. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if my guy/girl is POTUS, what matters is the protection of our Constitution and our Republic. Someone not in the chain of command reaching out to an enemy (no, China is not our friend), is treason. This is really hard to stomach. The hits just keep coming.

If there are transcripts, they need to be reviewed immediately by every alphabet department that has authority. I thought the debacle of the failed Afghanistan exit was enough to make our enemies emboldened. This is bigger.

Anyone else feel like they are living in a nightmare horror film?
 
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