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So sorry to hear.

As some of us continue to wait through the process, I think sometimes we need to be reminded of a few facts ...

There are about 5,000 high schools (public and private of decent size) in the USA and over 3 million seniors. Harvard accepts only about 2,000 per year. So if you are the top, very top and very best student in your high school you have about a 40% chance of getting into Harvard (if all top students apply). USNA accepts 1,200 (300 of which come from NAPS and Foundation).

My point is that it is extremely difficult to get in any one specific college/university. There are just too many variables and applicants. It is not to say our kids are not worthy. I am sure they all are. The top 1% of high school seniors add up to 30,000. That is why we all need Plan B, C, D etc...

Best of luck to all of you! (We sure need it!)
 
I absolutely understand the OP's (and other's) disappointment, frustration and even anger with their alma mater. I am sure his DS is disappointed also. I hope those negative feelings will soon fuel positive momentum in his plan B (ROTC). For me, in situations like this I find this particular Groucho Marx comment to be particularly motivating: "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."

USNA's loss is ROTC's gain. Go get 'em!
 
Pima, JCC, Hurricane, et al. How was my response an "ouch"? Read the whole thread. I guess I should have quoted this line from Blondie1 I was responding to "Always thought there should have been some bonus for a legacy". I was responding to that. Maybe back in the day there was, but not in this day. Otherwise, why would USNA have the admissions officer not a grad?

I was stating facts. Any "slight" is your own creation. Did I state or even infer that an alums kid should be "owed" anything or have preference? I was responding to someone who posted they should. Just like I respond to many moms and dads at home who think this is this case. Maybe it worked this way some time ago, but no longer. I suggest reading the whole thread to a few of you before picking a fight.

And for what it's worth, I'm third generation naval officer officer. All of us retired O-6s, but I'm only USNA. OCS for my dad and grandfather. And some of the best officers I served with for 30 years were NROTC and just so happened that the #1 ranked officers in my command that I wrote FITREPS for the when I was CO were NROTC and plenty of USNA grads in the wardroom. I'm well aware that commissioning source does not determine individual success, especially as ones career progresses.

If you're looking for a spat with ROTC brasher I'm not your guy.
 
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Trigger said:
And for what it's worth, I'm third generation naval officer officer. All of us retired O-6s, but I'm only USNA. OCS for my dad and grandfather. And some of the best officers I served with for 30 years were NROTC and just so happened that the #1 ranked officers in my command that I wrote FITREPS for the when I was CO were NROTC and plenty of USNA grads in the wardroom. I'm well aware that commissioning source does determine individual success, especially as ones career progresses.

If you're looking for a spat with ROTC brasher I'm not your guy.
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I was a QM3, and from my perspective, it mattered little where an officer received their commision. In those days, I just wanted to do my job and pray my first class would allow me to go on liberty.
 
It is human nature to be more disappointed when an organization of which we were a member -- be it a school, club, fraternity, employer -- rejects our kid. Intellectually, we understand that there isn't (and maybe even shouldn't be) a preference but it's still tough -- it's as if the organization which we supported (through participation and/or financially) doesn't value us.

The fact is that legacy candidates do get a slight bump at USNA -- same as if close relative is a member of the armed forces, but not a grad. My sense is that most ultra-competitive colleges don't give too much advantage to legacy kids, unless the parents have funded a new building on campus.

USNA's Dean of Admissions (Dean Latta) is a grad and most of the folks working in CGO are grads. However, as with any organization, it's good to have an outside perspective as well. The approach to legacies hasn't changed much over the past two decades, so would not read anything into the fact that an ROTC O-6 is currently the admissions officer.

USNA is just so competitive that many, many great kids are getting TWEs and that includes a fair share of legacy kids. The wound is probably a bit more raw for the parent(s) in such cases, but it's rough on everyone when a child's dream is crushed. I can only say from experience that most of these men and women end up very happy somewhere else and few dwell on the fact they didn't get into USNA much beyond September (if that long). Those who still long for USNA are typically those who complete their re-application.

All seems dire at the moment. This will pass for the kid. As for the parent/grad, you will either to be bitter forever or decide that this was a blip on what is otherwise a good relationship for you and USNA. It's a choice each has to make.
 
There are about 5,000 high schools (public and private of decent size) in the USA and over 3 million seniors.
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According to the U.S. Department of Education:
Across the United States there are 26,407 public secondary schools and 10,693 private secondary schools.
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So, actually, given that there are at least 30,000 valedictorians out there (more because many schools have more than one), 30,000 salutatorians, etc., the statistics for selective colleges are even more daunting. So, while getting a TWE of course hurts, it says nothing about the worth or competitiveness of your child or your child's odds at future success. Hugs to you as you put this event behind you and move on to a great plan B.
 
cabarle said:
I was a QM3, and from my perspective, it mattered little where an officer received their commision. In those days, I just wanted to do my job and pray my first class would allow me to go on liberty.
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usna1985 said:
My sense is that most ultra-competitive colleges don't give too much advantage to legacy kids, unless the parents have funded a new building on campus.
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True anecdote of personal friend: A Top 5 university received an application from a Legacy with a 4.5GPA, 2250 SAT, Valedictorian, Class President, 4 Varsity letters, 1000+hours community service, glowing LORs. University promptly sent personal letter to Alumni Dad asking if he wished to make any special donation to the school. He responded that he would make his usual Annual Fund amount (quite generous). She was rejected.
Legacies are widely regarded by Universities as nothing more than revenue devices.
 
cabarle said:
I appreciate the disappointment and dry humor with the OP. That being said, How much?
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I'm glad somebody on this forum appreciates a little dry humor. It was generally the most successful offset to a long deployment..."if I sleep for 12 hours a day, I am only on deployment for 6 months.."

That being said, gonna need to raise some $$$ for the Plan B option...make me an offer although I don't think my wife wants to part with the Navy hot mitts...
 
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FOR SALE! 34 year collection of USNA gear, including polo shirts, jackets, foam fingers, cowbells and even an authentic “B Robe”. Size: Adult Size Men’s MED.

18 year collection of boys USNA clothing, including jumpers, bibs, t-shirts, Navy Football Jerseys, Soccer and Baseball camp t-shirts. Also included a complete set of Naval Academy Summer Seminar (NASS) gear! Size: Infant to Adult Men’s LG.

Sold separately: A complete set of MIDN shoulder boards and collar devices. An ideal gift for a USNA graduate and 30 year career Naval Officer to pass on to his son.

Regular sale closes on 1 May 2016. All gear remaining will be disposed of properly using the TWE as kindling…
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You are my hero. TWE today. DS is taking his stellar credentials (35 math, 33 English ACT, 4.0 gpa, Eagle Scout, two noms, etc.) and going NROTC to North Carolina State.
 
Austinmom, my DS is in NROTC at NC State and having a very successful year! Not sure if you are from NC, we are not, but Raleigh is a great place! Excellent plan B!
 
jestay said:
Austinmom, my DS is in NROTC at NC State and having a very successful year! Not sure if you are from NC, we are not, but Raleigh is a great place! Excellent plan B!
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No, we are from Austin, Texas. He is very excited to go out of state. We are very happy for him.
 
austinmom said:
You are my hero. TWE today. DS is taking his stellar credentials (35 math, 33 English ACT, 4.0 gpa, Eagle Scout, two noms, etc.) and going NROTC to North Carolina State.
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austinmom said:
No, we are from Austin, Texas. He is very excited to go out of state. We are very happy for him.
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We have family in Austin, love it there! Tell your DS good luck and welcome to State. Go Wolfpack!
 
usna1985 said:
It is human nature to be more disappointed when an organization of which we were a member -- be it a school, club, fraternity, employer -- rejects our kid. Intellectually, we understand that there isn't (and maybe even shouldn't be) a preference but it's still tough -- it's as if the organization which we supported (through participation and/or financially) doesn't value us.

The fact is that legacy candidates do get a slight bump at USNA -- same as if close relative is a member of the armed forces, but not a grad. My sense is that most ultra-competitive colleges don't give too much advantage to legacy kids, unless the parents have funded a new building on campus.

USNA's Dean of Admissions (Dean Latta) is a grad and most of the folks working in CGO are grads. However, as with any organization, it's good to have an outside perspective as well. The approach to legacies hasn't changed much over the past two decades, so would not read anything into the fact that an ROTC O-6 is currently the admissions officer.

USNA is just so competitive that many, many great kids are getting TWEs and that includes a fair share of legacy kids. The wound is probably a bit more raw for the parent(s) in such cases, but it's rough on everyone when a child's dream is crushed. I can only say from experience that most of these men and women end up very happy somewhere else and few dwell on the fact they didn't get into USNA much beyond September (if that long). Those who still long for USNA are typically those who complete their re-application.

All seems dire at the moment. This will pass for the kid. As for the parent/grad, you will either to be bitter forever or decide that this was a blip on what is otherwise a good relationship for you and USNA. It's a choice each has to make.
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Just curious about where your "fact is that legacy candidates get a slight bump" facts come from. Inside source? Someone just posted some stats on another thread that if they are accurate hardly show any legacy favoritism.
 
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