got my NWL

It is definitely encouraged as a Plan B!
In fact, when interviewing candidates for West Point, one of our guidelines is to encourage the candidate to apply for AROTC scholarships.
I don't know how many WP applicants also apply for AROTC scholarships, but I would say that it would be a fair amount. After all - the end goal is to be an Army officer. Red flags are raised if a candidate says they want to go to WP but have no desire to enroll in AROTC. We then question whether being an Army officer is the real goal.

That was probably one of the first questions our Senator's nominating committee asked my cadet. They simply asked, "What will you do if you don't get into West Point?" and waited for his explanation. He told them with no uncertainty that he had already applied for an AROTC scholarship for University A and B and he would become an officer by that route because his goal was to serve in the US Army. (He did win the ROTC scholarship and would have followed through with his plan if he had not gotten into WP.)
 
I know this isn't what any NWL candidate wants to hear, but I was placed on the NWL last year and as a result of receiving a nomination after the NWL closed (and not being the top candidate from my NJ district), I was QNS. As you can see by my username, I was hoping to get into the class of 2015, but that dream was quashed. Instead, I am a proud appointee for the class of 2016, with a year of college experience and many good memories under my belt. I honestly couldn't be happier even though last year I thought being rejected was the worst thing in the world.
 
Does anyone know how to find out how many on the 1700 has a LOA?

None of the NWL applicants has an LOA. In order to land on the NWL you must be triple qualified with a nomination.

Any LOA recipient who is triple qualified with a nomination gets an appointment without ever landing on the NWL.
 
None of the NWL applicants has an LOA. In order to land on the NWL you must be triple qualified with a nomination.

Any LOA recipient who is triple qualified with a nomination gets an appointment without ever landing on the NWL.

thanks for that...I am hearing that there still will be about 1700 on NWL but only top 200 about will be getting in from NWL this year. Can anyone else confirm this?
Thanks.
 
None of the NWL applicants has an LOA. In order to land on the NWL you must be triple qualified with a nomination.

Any LOA recipient who is triple qualified with a nomination gets an appointment without ever landing on the NWL.

Debcst: So an LOA recipient that gets a nom (and therefore, an appointment) does NOT take up one of the ~200 spots on the NWL? Thats relieving. Only individuals 3q'd, nominated, but *not* LOA'd are on the NWL?


They *don't* take out of the 200 NWL spots (LOA winners who get a 2-9 nom / not the vacancy winner). If this is true, then this is a relief.:confused:
 
Debcst: So an LOA recipient that gets a nom (and therefore, an appointment) does NOT take up one of the ~200 spots on the NWL? Thats relieving. Only individuals 3q'd, nominated, but *not* LOA'd are on the NWL?


They *don't* take out of the 200 NWL spots (LOA winners who get a 2-9 nom / not the vacancy winner). If this is true, then this is a relief.:confused:

Hoffy 600,

Correct, LOA recipients never hit the NWL- the LOA is a guarantee that if you hit all the requirements, including any sort of nom (just on a slate, not the principle), you get an appointment.

I believe most LOA "winners" already have appointments.
 
Quadething,

I am confused about your posts here as in another thread you have listed yourself as having an appointment.

??
 
NWL - National Waiting List:
- Title X of the US Code mandates that WP must admit 150 candidates from the NWL by WCS
- fully qualified (which includes being medically qualified) non-vacancy winners of MOC nominations will go on the NWL
- IOW - if you are on the NWL, then you are fully qualified (scholastically, physically{CFA} and medically{DoDMERB}) AND have a MOC nomination
- about 450 slots of the class will come from the NWL
- the NWL helps WP achieve their class composition goals thereby making sure the class has a balance of athletes, minorities, leaders, scholars, etc.
- continue to update your file (even if you have a LOA). The more points you can add to you WCS, the higher you move up on the NWL. Update your file anytime you receive an award, honor, named Captain of a team, lettered in a sport, improved ACT/SAT scores, leadership activities etc.

Above is taken directly from one of the sticky posts posted by buff81 (moderator). It specifically states that Title X mandates 150 candidates are taken from the NWL. My thoughts are that there will be fewer MOC's with multiple candidates receiving appointments. I hear the stories where some districts have 15-20 candidates receiving appointments. I predict fewer of those instances happening. Thus, those QUALIFIED candidates will be placed on the NWL and the top 150 in the NWL will awarded an appointment.
 
Just to confuse y'all further-
LOAs do get put on the NWL.
 
Just to confuse y'all further-
LOAs do get put on the NWL.
Ok you did confuse me.
To get on the NWL you have to have a nomination.
If you have an LOA and get a nomination you get appointed (assuming DoDMERB, etc).
What am I missing?
 
debsct, i have a congressional appointment yes but I was not given the primary by WP

and I'm guessing they've already given 100 NWL people acceptance (LOA people on that list) leaving 50 left.
 
Packer-
You're missing the slot that a LOA must fit into.
This is really a confusing subject and sometimes it is best to keep it general and broad but since there is so much confusion I'll try to give my best explanation.

All cadets at WP have filled a slot as mandated by Title X US Code.
You will not see LOA mentioned anywhere in the US Code. LOAs were created by the SAs to get and keep those highly prospective candidates interested in them as they are being lured by other competitive schools while they grind away at the SA application process.

But - LOAs have to fit within the mandates of the US Code. Therefore they have to fit in a slot. There is no LOA slot. A LOA must fit in one of the slots described in Title X, such as a MOC slot, a Presidential slot, a ROTC slot, a NWL slot.
Technically, there are 150 NWL slots. There are 150 candidates/yr who get that slot and most of them are LOAs that did not get another slot. For ex. a LOA nominated but who did not get the MOC slot. The LOA still has a nom and therefore meets the requirements of the NWL slot.
The rest of the class is filled with candidates who are fully qualified (3Q'd) with a nom based on a ratio of 3:1 Congressional to Service connected noms (and here is the big misconception), these do NOT compete by WCS. Only the 150 NWL slots compete by WCS. This way of choosing the rest of the class ( the 3:1 ratio) helps WP (since not bound by WCS) choose candidates to help meet their class composition goals for scholars, athletes, leaders, minorities, soldiers, etc.
So, technically, the NWL is only 150 names long. The rest of the candidates 3Q'd with noms are not technically 'on the NWL'. Only 150 who get that slot are. It's kind of like the Presidential nom. Many qualify but only the top 100 get a Presidential slot. Many qualify for a NWL slot but only 150 get it.
This is my best understanding. If there are those who understand it differently or better, I welcome correction!

For your evening entertainment - read Title X of the US Code.
It's quite the page turner! :wink: :sleep:
 
buff81, thanks for the explanation. I think I got it. It sounds like it is mostly a "book keeping" thing but those LOA's have to fit into a legally defined slot.
 
Thanks for clarifying, Buff81, and apologies for sharing bad information. My son is an LOA recipient with an appointment and nowhere in his process was the NWL mentioned- so I thought I had a handle on it but misunderstood.
 
buff81, thanks for the explanation. I think I got it. It sounds like it is mostly a "book keeping" thing but those LOA's have to fit into a legally defined slot.

Exactly! I think you got it! :thumb:

debcst - I doubt any LOA recipient hears anything about the NWL. MY DS had a LOA and I never heard of the NWL. But like Packer said - think of it as a bookkeeping thing. LOAs have to fill a slot. An RC said that LOAs usually fill the NWL slots so that made me realize that LOAs are on the NWL and had to dig and figure out how that worked! Like I said this is my best understanding and if anyone disagrees, I'd love to hear from them.

Also, I think that for candidate purposes, WP uses the NWL term broadly. Just because a candidate gets a NWL letter, I don't think that means that they are necessarily one of the 150. I think that means that you are 3Q'd with a nom.
Candidates and parents really don't need to heavily dissect this. It can cause undue stress and the application process is stressful enough! :eek:
 
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