Gov. Shutdown

14USC1 is a good reference too. They are because Congress said they were almost a century ago... Doing "military things" before the Air Force was a twinkle in its Army daddy's eye.
 
Neither is having a .mil e-mail address but I digress.

Full text of the bill as passed by both House and Senate

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H.R.3210 -- Pay Our Military Act (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)


--H.R.3210--

H.R.3210


One Hundred Thirteenth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE FIRST SESSION
Begun and held at the City of Washington on Thursday,

the third day of January, two thousand and thirteen

An Act

Making continuing appropriations for military pay in the event of a Government shutdown.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Pay Our Military Act'.

SEC. 2. CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS FOR MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES.

(a) In General- There are hereby appropriated for fiscal year 2014, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for any period during which interim or full-year appropriations for fiscal year 2014 are not in effect--

(1) such sums as are necessary to provide pay and allowances to members of the Armed Forces (as defined in section 101(a)(4) of title 10, United States Code), including reserve components thereof, who perform active service during such period;

I think this is one of the reasons that USMMA was shutdown. Even though they are a reserve component (of the Navy), they do not perform active service whilst they are midshipmen. Do mids get paid btw?

I hope something is done soon, KP is on a tight enough academic schedule under the trimester system.
 
I think this is one of the reasons that USMMA was shutdown. Even though they are a reserve component (of the Navy), they do not perform active service whilst they are midshipmen. Do mids get paid btw?

I hope something is done soon, KP is on a tight enough academic schedule under the trimester system.

Midshipmen do not get paid at the USMMA.
 
Is that considered "drill" or what? What status are they in during sea year? Or is it a non-military pay?

They ship out as merchant marine cadets. They are signed on articles and paid by the respective shipping company or Military Sealift Command. When assigned to active duty Navy, Army, NOAA or USCG vessels they receive no pay.

While at the academy they are considered on inactive status in the naval reserve.
 
I am suprised that you did not know the answer to this after all the time you have spent on this forum.

Not likely as surprised as I am that KP grads don't know the Coast Guard's a branch of the military... :rolleyes:
 
I think this is one of the reasons that USMMA was shutdown. Even though they are a reserve component (of the Navy), they do not perform active service whilst they are midshipmen. Do mids get paid btw?

I hope something is done soon, KP is on a tight enough academic schedule under the trimester system.

Errrmmm..... maybe not active duty service... but seeing as how nearly everyone at KP does some time on an MSP or MSC ship before graduation Kings Point Midshipmen have done a hell of a hell of a lot more supporting the fleet than any other cadet/midshipman at any other academy. We actually move cargo for the military... as opposed to go on fun helicopter and boat rides in the summer.

I get the point you're trying to make about active duty service though.

According to Naval Science, when you're out to sea you're considered active duty by Navy and subject to the UCMJ, though I haven't been able to find anything in writing to support this.


...and just to poke the metaphorical Bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9utJp1QiPs
 
We actually move cargo for the military... as opposed to go on fun helicopter and boat rides in the summer.

Ah yes... nothing like the "fun" of interdicting and processing hundreds of angry humans, enforcing of U.S. immigration laws... the Cubans and Haitians are having "fun" too. :rolleyes:
 
I've already called.

I was told specifically by my Congressman's office that "even though it is not under the DoD, the Coast Guard Academy is a military academy and USMMA is not."

You need to inform your Congressman that every graduate of the USMMA is commissioned as an Officer in the U.S. Armed Forces and has a service obligation to serve in the military for five years active duty or eight years in the reserves.

It also may have been beneficial for him to have been at the Academy last month to witness the Plebe class being sworn in by Navy Vice Admiral Robin Braun and hear them say the words "I solemnly swear I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
 
Active duty has nothing to do with it

Pay the military bill didn't exclude reserves. We have a reserve UTA weekend going on at my AF base this weekend. Under Total force integration congress mandated the merging of many active duty and reserve operations.

The question of who pays them while on sea duty doesn't matter. The school produces a commissioned officer. Better question would be are ROTC programs and other commissioning programs open during this slowdown.

I have a feeling that if the coast guard academy where still under the transportation dept we wouldn't be dealing with closure of Usmma because both would have been funded.
 
You need to inform your Congressman that every graduate of the USMMA is commissioned as an Officer in the U.S. Armed Forces and has a service obligation to serve in the military for five years active duty or eight years in the reserves.

It also may have been beneficial for him to have been at the Academy last month to witness the Plebe class being sworn in by Navy Vice Admiral Robin Braun and hear them say the words "I solemnly swear I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Then she would be lying to her Congressman, because those aren't true service commitments you're quoting.
 
I have a feeling that if the coast guard academy where still under the transportation dept we wouldn't be dealing with closure of Usmma because both would have been funded.

I agree. DOT benefitted from having USCGA and USMMA.
 
Pay the military bill didn't exclude reserves. We have a reserve UTA weekend going on at my AF base this weekend. Under Total force integration congress mandated the merging of many active duty and reserve operations.

The question of who pays them while on sea duty doesn't matter. The school produces a commissioned officer. Better question would be are ROTC programs and other commissioning programs open during this slowdown.

I have a feeling that if the coast guard academy where still under the transportation dept we wouldn't be dealing with closure of Usmma because both would have been funded.

as you know Kings Point is funded by the DoT through MARAD for a college education. ROTC is funded as you know by the DoD to have military science classes to educate midshipman and cadets. Your argument is only good if Kings Point kept the department of naval science open and all midshipman just attended naval science class. The Navy does not find Kings Point. Midshipman do not receive a NROTC scholarship. Two complete different funding sources with two complete different goals.
 
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You need to inform your Congressman that every graduate of the USMMA is commissioned as an Officer in the U.S. Armed Forces and has a service obligation to serve in the military for five years active duty or eight years in the reserves.

But he was not talking about graduates - he was talking about the KP academy and the KP mids - they are not military.

All the other academy "students" are considered active duty military, are paid (by law), and are under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.
 
as you know Kings Point is funded by the DoT through MARAD for a college education. ROTC is funded as you know by the DoD to have military science classes to educate midshipman and cadets. Your argument is only good if Kings Point kept the department of naval science open and all midshipman just attended naval science class. The Navy does not find Kings Point. Midshipman do not receive a NROTC scholarship. Two complete different funding sources with two complete different goals.

It is an interesting relationship. While they are funded by the DoT, they have a service obligation upon graduation to the DoD.
 
It is an interesting relationship. While they are funded by the DoT, they have a service obligation upon graduation to the DoD.

Their service obligation is to both the DoT and the Navy. Remember graduates are required to fill out yearly service compliance reports and submit them to MARAD. MARAD also grants all sailing waivers. You can be in compliance with one and not the other.
 
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