Guarding the Boarder

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  1. Jcleppe

    Jcleppe 5-Year Member

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    If a guard unit is federalized, they move from USC Title 32 to Title 10; the same as active duty and all the laws, etc., apply.

    Steve
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    It's all been exhaustively discussed and planned ahead of the announcement that the military will protect the border and the DOD will use its appropriated funds to build a border wall.

    It's done. Don't worry about it.
     
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    All that sarcasm's gonna burn you up, son.
     
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    kinnem Moderator 5-Year Member

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    I say keep an eye on that boarder. He may eat all the food! :D If it takes the military to stop him, so be it!
     
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    No burn compared to HR McMaster's scorching of his former boss. The counterpoint of his speech yesterday to the President's point concerning US/Russia policy is breathtaking.
     
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    EDelahanty 5-Year Member

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    As you well know, LITS, the Posse Comitatus Act does not include the Coast Guard. Consider this your call-up notice to guard La Costa Norte of the Rio Grande.

    I hope you can still fit into your old uniform.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    Haha, I can’t fit into it... and the Rio Grande is too shallow.
     
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    Jcleppe 5-Year Member

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    Wait, I thought that was our Motto...."No water too Shallow"
     
  11. UHBlackhawk

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    That is to prevent the military from enforcing domestic policy. I don't know that preventing what would essentially be a group of foreign nationals encroaching on our border would be considered domestic policy. After all, military aircraft enforce our ADIZ on a daily basis.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    It’s my draft now.... my draft is too great and I’m constrained.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    How do you confirm their foreign nationals? Could be a US citizen returning from spring break.

    And frankly, I’m not sure I’d trust DOD units to know the difference (or be very good at it).
     
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    Typically, that is not how it works. Use of military resources along the border is NOT new. Those resources are there now. In some/most cases - military personnel execute tasks in order to free up the CBP or other DHS resources to do the kinds of tasks you describe above.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    Correct. Or you could consider a CG LEDET doing a boarding from a Navy frigate.

    That is not NG standing on the boarder stopping foreign nationals. Immigration laws are federal laws enforced by federal law enforcement agencies.

    I’m not sure I’d hold up current DOD involvement as the best case. If I signed up for the NG, not sure I’d be thrilled with it either.
     
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    How does a DOD aircraft know an aircraft encroaching on our ADIZ is a foreign aircraft? Could be someone returning from spring break. But you know what? They intercept it if it's penetrating the ADIZ.
    In an era when Russia has been known to use "little green men" to penetrate borders and destabilize regions I'm not sure who else we should use to "provide for the common defense". Just as the military did so in the early 1900's in the same region.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    And yet, the Navy doesn’t. Why not?

    The fact of the matter is, the military (DOD) isn’t good at it. They’re good at a lot of things. Not this.

    Just my experience enforcing immigration laws on the water...
     
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    Really? The Navy never tracks or intercepts foreign ships approaching the US? You might want to tell these people-

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-navy-spots-russian-spy-ship-100-miles-north-carolina-coast-report-788021

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wo...ne-us-plane-p-8a-poseidon-north-carolina-news

    https://pilotonline.com/news/military/local/article_522dea64-879c-5394-96a1-a445069a530d.html

    In addition I find it very unlikely that the US Navy does not try to track foreign submarines approaching the US coast. After all, they could be someone returning from spring break.
    It depends where and to what extent you are enforcing the border. I have lived on the Southern and the Northern borders. The Southern border is quite different and, on more than one occasion CBP found themselves outgunned. There where days when I could hear the AK's firing across the border in Juarez from my backyard overlooking the Rio Grand. I thought I was back in Iraq.

    Now on a day to day basis CPB is better equipped to deal with it. But when you have a caravan of over 500 people who, with the blessing of a foreign government, are approaching the US border you are no longer dealing with an immigration issue. I don't know of any government that would tolerate that.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    The Navy does not board in US territorial seas. You may not want to believe that, but you should. I loved hearing stories of the LEDETS on Navy ships not wanting sailors on a boarding team, because Navy sailors had a tendency to discharge their weapons while trying to board small boats. I enjoy the stories about NG soldiers at sea even more.

    And 500 people isn’t a crazy number. We frequently had 100-300 on our ship, and we were far from the only ship around.

    But what you are doing is showing the DOD filter “500 people isn’t an immigration isn’t”... uh, yes it is. That DOD mindset is EXACTLY why you don’t want DOD branches trying to enforce US law. “It’s like Iraq.” “It’s not immigration.” No. Yes. Maybe stick to what you know.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006 10-Year Member

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    Stick to the sky. And we’re not Ukraine or Georgia...

    Again, you really don’t know. But you talk a good game.

    Maybe we should start arming Border Patrol? Oh... we do.

    I worked with CBP as a part of my old job, I’ve engaged in immigration enforcement... what do you do again... uh yes, live in the Southwest.... I enjoyed my time in New Mexico... but that didn’t make be a Border Patrol agent.