History Being Made.....

I talked to my son today. He was remembering mountain phase. The ruck march with the standard 45 to 50 pound ruck. Adding 10 pounds of ammo, 10 to 15 pounds of water, 5 pound helmet and hopefully you did not have to carry a very heavy saw machine gun. The ruck is through the mountains. A lot of up-and-down. He still is very proud he made it through. Best wishes to those still in Darby and to those moving on to the mountain phase.

It seemed like it was always up. Other things we had to carry were Radio with batteries, tripod, filled in AT4, grenadier vast filled with inert aluminum rounds. Carrying or not carrying additional weight factors in during peer eval.
 
It seemed like it was always up. Other things we had to carry were Radio with batteries, tripod, filled in AT4, grenadier vast filled with inert aluminum rounds. Carrying or not carrying additional weight factors in during peer eval.
Very true. And no food or sleep, I give credit to all who earned the tab
 
It seemed like it was always up. Other things we had to carry were Radio with batteries, tripod, filled in AT4, grenadier vast filled with inert aluminum rounds. Carrying or not carrying additional weight factors in during peer eval.

<<< Haven't been to Ranger School. But the statement above makes me wonder what will happen in the Mountain phase should a few women get there. Who assigns the burdens? The PL? The RI's? Is it random? Do you saddle someone with extra weight knowing they will have a harder time than another? If you're the PL, the one being graded, are you going to put a female with the SAW, knowing that it could slow your patrol/task down? Do the RI's allow negative peers on the PL for assigning it or the candidate for not being able to cut it (if that is the case)?

"What you gonna do, PL?"
 
<<< Haven't been to Ranger School. But the statement above makes me wonder what will happen in the Mountain phase should a few women get there. Who assigns the burdens? The PL? The RI's? Is it random? Do you saddle someone with extra weight knowing they will have a harder time than another? If you're the PL, the one being graded, are you going to put a female with the SAW, knowing that it could slow your patrol/task down? Do the RI's allow negative peers on the PL for assigning it or the candidate for not being able to cut it (if that is the case)?

"What you gonna do, PL?"

It was 20 years ago, a matter of fact I might have started the Mountain phase about now, but if I remember correctly, it was up to squad leaders and as folks switched out on leadership positions, whatever they carried got passed on to the next person. I volunteered to be the RTO several times, although extra weight sucked, but I knew what was going on being right next to the PL all the time and back than RTO was only person allowed to do a rucksack flop when we stopped.

My mind set was that everybody was different physically but we had to pull our equal share. Because someone is big and strong, he or she should be carry extra weights all the time as he or she is not getting extra food.

From what I recall, the peer process got more fair as the Ranger school progressed. Initially, students from similar background sticks together on peer - i.e. only 2LT in a squad full of Ranger Battalion students have a good chance of getting a bad peer. If I remember correctly, we had to rank order everyone in the squad.
 
I'm hearing that all 8 failed Darby for the second time and will now be offered "Day 0" inserts, i.e. start all over with RAP week again.

If true, those Ranger wannabes need to dig really deep to stay in. They need to be strong mentally. I think physically, they should be okay, but mentally they will feel they are not physically okay. When I recycled, I started doubting myself, starting asking why do I need a Ranger tab, and started telling myself I got nothing to prove anymore as I stayed in so far.
 
If true, those Ranger wannabes need to dig really deep to stay in. They need to be strong mentally. I think physically, they should be okay, but mentally they will feel they are not physically okay. When I recycled, I started doubting myself, starting asking why do I need a Ranger tab, and started telling myself I got nothing to prove anymore as I stayed in so far.

There are those that think that the first woman or women to make it through have the added incentive of monetary gain due to guaranteed General rank and/or book deal, speeches, media consultant positions, university chairs, and such after they exit the military.

UPDATE: 3 females took the Day 1 Recycle. Class starts 22 JUN.
 
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There are those that think that the first woman or women to make it through have the added incentive of monetary gain due to guaranteed General rank and/or book deal, speeches, media consultant positions, university chairs, and such after they exit the military.

Well, if that's the case I have a bridge in New York I will sell to them.
 
There are those that think that the first woman or women to make it through have the added incentive of monetary gain due to guaranteed General rank and/or book deal, speeches, media consultant positions, university chairs, and such after they exit the military.

I can't recall one military woman "first" to whom this has happened. Not the first graduate(s) of SAs, not the first flag officer, not the first to command a ship or squadron, not the first to be qualify as a submarine officer, not the first astronaut, etc. And I would say most of those accomplishments are at least as great as being the first female Ranger. Yes, there will likely be some publicity when that happens, but a week later, the press and others will have moved on.
 
I can't recall one military woman "first" to whom this has happened. Not the first graduate(s) of SAs, not the first flag officer, not the first to command a ship or squadron, not the first to be qualify as a submarine officer, not the first astronaut, etc. And I would say most of those accomplishments are at least as great as being the first female Ranger. Yes, there will likely be some publicity when that happens, but a week later, the press and others will have moved on.

I agree, although Sally Ride did write a book, but for the most part these accomplishments just became a small part of their resume.
 
There are reports that 5 are out and 3 will restart from day 1

The Columbus Star Ledger just reported that all three women made it through RAP week along with 163 (of 360) men . Temperatures were in the 90s during the day and humidity was in the 90s at night.
 
The three females passed Darby phase this time and will be headed to the Mountain Phase.
 
Sledge thanks for the updates! Congrats to them and the men. Best of luck to them all.
 
Another update. Of COURSE they're West Point grads - said with the greatest respect and admiration.

"... By maintaining the Ranger standards for the women, the Army is raising the standards across the board, [1LT] Mueller said.

“We’ve all heard the excuses – ‘I can’t carry this’ or ‘I can’t keep up,’” Mueller said. “You can’t use that anymore. Everybody in our military, including the women, will be pushed to a higher standard.

This demonstrates, once and for all, that leadership and physical courage is not unique to men,” [WP '80 grad Sue] Fulton said. “This will ultimately make the Army stronger because we can draw from a talent pool to put the best person in the right job across the force. ...”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nat...l-security/article27659722.html#storylink=cpy
 
Very impressive. I know I couldn't do what they're doing now or in my prime. Best of luck to all of them (women and men alike) in the next phase!

Edit fixes! Wow a lot of typos sorry I sure as heck could NOT do what they are doing.
 
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