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Good evening!! Quick question that hopefully someone here might be able to help with. Our DD is c/o 2022 so where will her Home of Record be? Her dad is AD AF and we are currently stationed in FL. Our Home of Record is AZ but we are all AK residents. Her nomination came from an Alaskan MOC. Our DD has a CA driver’s license and she is graduating in FL (after only living here 10 months) so we are unsure if she will have FL as her HoR or if she can choose.

Thanks for any advice.
 
USAFA*2022 said:
Good evening!! Quick question that hopefully someone here might be able to help with. Our DD is c/o 2022 so where will her Home of Record be? Her dad is AD AF and we are currently stationed in FL. Our Home of Record is AZ but we are all AK residents. Her nomination came from an Alaskan MOC. Our DD has a CA driver’s license and she is graduating in FL (after only living here 10 months) so we are unsure if she will have FL as her HoR or if she can choose.

Thanks for any advice.
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It took a little digging, but I found the Navy reg on Home of Record, see below link. Interesting how many times HOR and SLR for tax purposes came up, in all kinds of articles on military.com, intuit.com (tax articles), other unofficial but fairly reliable sources.

I also laughed because it’s a classic military situation, living in one place, driver’s license from somewhere else, etc.

I always understood it to be the place you were physically living from which you reported to active duty. So, I think your DD’s HOR will be FL. That will also be handy to elect as her SLR for state income tax purposes.

I didn’t want to guess, so here’s the reg:
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1000General/Documents/1000-100.pdf

And the quote:
2. HOR
a. The place recorded as the Service member’s home when
commissioned, appointed, enlisted, inducted, or ordered into a
tour of active duty.

All the Services would be the same definition, since HOR is used for military benefits. I just know how to find stuff for Navy. HOR is really a geographic marker associated with each service member at their time of accession.

Did she also have a Presidential nom? There is usually no way of knowing at this point where her appointment will be charged.

If you wanted to talk to someone at USAFA about it, there has to be a Cadet Personnel Office. Assuming a parallel to USNA, with which I am familiar, the civil service folks there are long-time experts in all cadet-related record stuff. Now is the time to call, understanding that they are just about to process 2018’s orders, paperwork, close out cadet records, which peaks in May.

Edit: I took a deep breath and plunged into the JTR, Joint Travel Regulations, which has ruled benefits and entitlements of military members for decades. On page 20 in Appendix A, in the acronyms and terms list, is the root definition for HOR for all services.

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/D...ppendices/APP_316_(04-01-13)JFTRAppChange.pdf
 
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We are in the same boat with HOR, state we are from, where his DL is from, and where we live now. The difference is that DS is reporting from Germany so we aren't sure what HOR to put. His dad's HOR is FL, DS's DL is from there, and his diad currently lives in FL until he moves to NY in June. FL is also where his nom is from. I am from AL and his dad is originally from OH.
 
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Our situation wasn't complicated so his home of record was where Mom and I lived. When we moved he changed his home of record to our new address. One suggestion - we still get mail for him here and we scan the non-junk mail and email it to him. I would recommend a child's home of record be wherever the parent(s) are so you can address this mail issue, otherwise who knows where it will end up.
 
Capt MJ said:
USAFA*2022 said:
Good evening!! Quick question that hopefully someone here might be able to help with. Our DD is c/o 2022 so where will her Home of Record be? Her dad is AD AF and we are currently stationed in FL. Our Home of Record is AZ but we are all AK residents. Her nomination came from an Alaskan MOC. Our DD has a CA driver’s license and she is graduating in FL (after only living here 10 months) so we are unsure if she will have FL as her HoR or if she can choose.

Thanks for any advice.
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It took a little digging, but I found the Navy reg on Home of Record, see below link. Interesting how many times HOR and SLR for tax purposes came up, in all kinds of articles on military.com, intuit.com (tax articles), other unofficial but fairly reliable sources.

I also laughed because it’s a classic military situation, living in one place, driver’s license from somewhere else, etc.

I always understood it to be the place you were physically living from which you reported to active duty. So, I think your DD’s HOR will be FL. That will also be handy to elect as her SLR for state income tax purposes.

I didn’t want to guess, so here’s the reg:
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1000General/Documents/1000-100.pdf

And the quote:
2. HOR
a. The place recorded as the Service member’s home when
commissioned, appointed, enlisted, inducted, or ordered into a
tour of active duty.

All the Services would be the same definition, since HOR is used for military benefits. I just know how to find stuff for Navy. HOR is really a geographic marker associated with each service member at their time of accession.

Did she also have a Presidential nom? There is usually no way of knowing at this point where her appointment will be charged.

If you wanted to talk to someone at USAFA about it, there has to be a Cadet Personnel Office. Assuming a parallel to USNA, with which I am familiar, the civil service folks there are long-time experts in all cadet-related record stuff. Now is the time to call, understanding that they are just about to process 2018’s orders, paperwork, close out cadet records, which peaks in May.

Edit: I took a deep breath and plunged into the JTR, Joint Travel Regulations, which has ruled benefits and entitlements of military members for decades. On page 20 in Appendix A, in the acronyms and terms list, is the root definition for HOR for all services.

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/D...ppendices/APP_316_(04-01-13)JFTRAppChange.pdf
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Thank you!! She was awarded a Congressional nomination so it was charged to AK, where she would like her HOR to be. We assumed her HOR would be FL but since she isn't swearing in here, we'd hoped she could pick. My husband has had two HORs, his first HOR from the state he enlisted in out of HS and then after he separated the AF and later re-enlisted in AZ that is his "new" HOR.
 
QWE123 said:
We are in the same boat with HOR, state we are from, where his DL is from, and where we live now. The difference is that DS is reporting from Germany so we aren't sure what HOR to put. His dad's HOR is FL, DS's DL is from there, and his diad currently lives in FL until he moves to NY in June. FL is also where his nom is from. I am from AL and his dad is originally from OH.
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Congrats to your son!! We had a friends son enlist whilst we were all stationed in the UK... and that is considered his HOR. He was also born there so not sure what all weighed on his HOR status. If we find anything out, I will be sure to share!!
 
kinnem said:
Our situation wasn't complicated so his home of record was where Mom and I lived. When we moved he changed his home of record to our new address. One suggestion - we still get mail for him here and we scan the non-junk mail and email it to him. I would recommend a child's home of record be wherever the parent(s) are so you can address this mail issue, otherwise who knows where it will end up.
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I didn't realize you could change HOR. Did your DS just update his HOR at MPF? We will not be staying in FL so we will have to have DDs mail forwarded to wherever we end up next.
 
kinnem said:
Our situation wasn't complicated so his home of record was where Mom and I lived. When we moved he changed his home of record to our new address. One suggestion - we still get mail for him here and we scan the non-junk mail and email it to him. I would recommend a child's home of record be wherever the parent(s) are so you can address this mail issue, otherwise who knows where it will end up.
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Home of Record has nothing to do with where your (or your child's) mail gets delivered. It is a military "thing" which is used for a lot of things but mail is not one of them. Example: When I started USNA, my HOR was in New Jersey. While I was in the Navy, my actual physical address moved around to places including Maryland, Rhode Island, Virginia and Massachusetts and I owned a home while in Virginia and then in Massachusetts but my Home of Record as far as the military was concerned was still New Jersey.
 
I could be wrong but I think they base it on your driver’s license.
 
jaglvr said:
I could be wrong but I think they base it on your driver’s license.
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Not true/necessarily. That may be the first/default that admin will try to use but the individual member gets to weigh in on this as well because of
the many special circumstances like parents on Active Duty, candidate who goes to boarding/prep school in one state but "home" (whatever that means) is in a
different state.
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I also know military members who use an assignment in a tax friendly state and change "Home of Record" to places like Florida or Texas and actively avoid tax traps like California.
 
OldRetSWO said:
Not true/necessarily. That may be the first/default that admin will try to use but the individual member gets to weigh in on this as well because of
the many special circumstances like parents on Active Duty, candidate who goes to boarding/prep school in one state but "home" (whatever that means) is in a
different state.
.
I also know military members who use an assignment in a tax friendly state and change "Home of Record" to places like Florida or Texas and actively avoid tax traps like California.
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OldRet, respectfully, AD folks do change their state of residence, the one used for tax purposes, when, as you note, they establish residency in a state where they are stationed. I did so, changing from GA to FL when I had the chance. GA wanted to tax me at the same rate, wherever I was living.

My HOR, however, remained GA my entire career. Different animal which can only be changed under certain circumstances, usually broken service or some other circumstance. .
 
Capt MJ said:
OldRetSWO said:
Not true/necessarily. That may be the first/default that admin will try to use but the individual member gets to weigh in on this as well because of
the many special circumstances like parents on Active Duty, candidate who goes to boarding/prep school in one state but "home" (whatever that means) is in a
different state.
.
I also know military members who use an assignment in a tax friendly state and change "Home of Record" to places like Florida or Texas and actively avoid tax traps like California.
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OldRet, respectfully, AD folks do change their state of residence, the one used for tax purposes, when, as you note, they establish residency in a state where they are stationed. I did so, changing from GA to FL when I had the chance. GA wanted to tax me at the same rate, wherever I was living.

My HOR, however, remained GA my entire career. Different animal which can only be changed under certain circumstances, usually broken service or some other circumstance. .
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And there are times in your military career when it seems that HOR can be "adjusted". My son changed his when he graduated USNA.
 
Capt MJ said:
OldRetSWO said:
Not true/necessarily. That may be the first/default that admin will try to use but the individual member gets to weigh in on this as well because of
the many special circumstances like parents on Active Duty, candidate who goes to boarding/prep school in one state but "home" (whatever that means) is in a
different state.
.
I also know military members who use an assignment in a tax friendly state and change "Home of Record" to places like Florida or Texas and actively avoid tax traps like California.
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OldRet, respectfully, AD folks do change their state of residence, the one used for tax purposes, when, as you note, they establish residency in a state where they are stationed. I did so, changing from GA to FL when I had the chance. GA wanted to tax me at the same rate, wherever I was living.

My HOR, however, remained GA my entire career. Different animal which can only be changed under certain circumstances, usually broken service or some other circumstance. .
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This is what we were thinking. I know she can choose her State of Residence but HOR can't be changed to our knowledge. As we are approaching retirement, HOR is crucial when determining where the military will "pay" for HHGs to be shipped, also for COT leave. As of now, DD will have no ties to FL (no family here) and if she kept AK and wanted to move back there after seperating/retiring, it would be a huge difference for entitlements if say she was stationed in GA at the time.
 
My DS will have a similar issue. He's graduating HS in Illinois and received his nomination from the local MOC, but I have been relocated by my company to TX, so the whole family is moving in early June. I doubt he will have time to get a new DL, but his family will reside in TX. Does he have to choose IL because that is where his nomination came from, or is he free to choose TX? State taxes in IL are close to 5%, and they are 0% in TX. Thanks.
 
t-bo said:
My DS will have a similar issue. He's graduating HS in Illinois and received his nomination from the local MOC, but I have been relocated by my company to TX, so the whole family is moving in early June. I doubt he will have time to get a new DL, but his family will reside in TX. Does he have to choose IL because that is where his nomination came from, or is he free to choose TX? State taxes in IL are close to 5%, and they are 0% in TX. Thanks.
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We are planning to call so if we get any info or a good POC, I will pass it along!! Best wishes with your move and congrats to your son!!
 
USAFA*2022 said:
Good evening!! Quick question that hopefully someone here might be able to help with. Our DD is c/o 2022 so where will her Home of Record be? Her dad is AD AF and we are currently stationed in FL. Our Home of Record is AZ but we are all AK residents. Her nomination came from an Alaskan MOC. Our DD has a CA driver’s license and she is graduating in FL (after only living here 10 months) so we are unsure if she will have FL as her HoR or if she can choose.
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Ways to establish state residency in FL:
http://www.smith-howard.com/resources/articles/how-establish-florida-residency

Your DD must be sure she has established residency in FL. Then when she reports to the SA from there, FL should be her HoR. Dot those i's & cross those t's. Could save her a lot of $ down the road.
 
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