How many are left?

Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by 93Sir, Feb 5, 2015.

1. 93SirMember

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At this point, post 31 January deadline, how many 3Q'd with nominations theoretically remain? Of those, one in three (four, five) will be appointed? Any chance it's one in two if you've made it this far?

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2. usnabgo08USNA 2008/BGO5-Year Member

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In recent history (last few years), the odds are 40-50% (closer to 40%) of being offered an appointment IF a candidate is fully qualified (3Q'd + nomination).

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Can someone clarify the 3q'd situation to me. I understand what it means in terms of being qualified, but if USNA wants you wouldn't they pick you if you were say lacking in the physical area, so only a 2q. They could just pick whoever they wanted, out of who received a nomination, and just say that the candidate was 3q'd even if they might not have been in one area. I know we can make the argument that anyone they deem worthy of an appointment is already 3q but there has to be some who slip through the cracks.

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So, it is close to being one of every two (2.5) candidates, at this point will likely get an appointment?

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In order to COMPETE for an appointment, an official candidate must be:
• be found scholastically qualified by the Admissions Board;
• be medically qualified;
• pass the Naval Academy's Physical Aptitude Examination (same for all the service academies);

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• receive an official nomination from one of many sources available

The first three bullet points above are what is referred to as 3Q'd

I understand that the first bullet, "Scholastically qualified by the Admissions Board" means that your whole candidate score that takes into account everything in your application such as grades, test, schools, sports, leadership roles, awards, gender, race, etc etc and everything else that goes into it, is high enough that they consider you a viable candidate. There are a lot of vairables that go into this score and how they are generated and what they mean are closely guarded.
From master's thesis papers on the subject I have read from Naval Postgraduate School masters candidates, the scores can range from 58,000 to 72,000 points with those in the upper range likley to recieve early LOA's.
The Academy fills the class from those that meet the thresholds based on what they want the class makeup to look like.

Our BGO informed us that if you are not medically qualified and do not receive a waiver, no appointment, or that if you fail the CFA, no appointment or that if you don't recieve an official nom from one of the sources available, no appointment.

Hope that helps

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6. usnabgo08USNA 2008/BGO5-Year Member

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Yes, the only way one knows if they are 3Q'd is IF USNA Admissions tells them (which is rare for non-LOA candidates) OR a BGO told them (which shouldn't have happened in the first place, as BGOs ARE NOT authorized to release this information). So, if you know you are fully qualified (and not just a guess), then yes, that would be right.

To answer about the 2Q question -- Admissions has to be confident that someone they bring to USNA has a high chance of completing the program and graduating. As provided in your example, if someone can't pass the CFA (and I believe the minimum score for passing shouldn't be a concern for someone who regularly works out), then why would the Admissions Board risk appointing someone who might not be able to pass the PRT and ultimately be kicked out? Same can be applied to scholastic (academics) and medical is more so for after graduation -- i.e. wouldn't be able to commission into USN/USMC -- which is why some are given waivers, as these medical conditions either were a fluke/one-time event OR the condition can be dealt with.

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so really, unless you have an LOA (or your BGO told you), you don't really know for sure that you're 3Q'd. my DS is a recruited athlete with a pretty good gpa and excellent test scores. just trying to figure out what his chances are. passed CFA, medically qualified, and has 2 noms, but no LOA. I HATE this waiting part, but if it ends up with a BFE, I'll be fine

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Our BGO told us in not uncertain terms during DS's initial interview that they could not and would not share Q'd status or any other status once they did their work on the file-could offer feedback and be s sounding board for DS and any attempts he had at improving his package, but that is it.
It is an uncomfortable position to put your BGO in if you ask them for this info so as much as you may want to know, don't ask.
RD said same thing.

We'll know when we know...and all my hair is grey.

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From what I remember the 40-50% figure sounds a little low. If I remember correctly, the last several years have averaged something like 2500 3Q'd candidates and ~1400 appointments. That is closer to 60%.

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let's all hope so!!!

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From everything I've been reading it is closer to 2,100 - 2,200 3Q'd and nominated, with 1,400 - 1,500 appointments offered. That's over 60% - 70%. Question, can a candidate find out, or is it possible to calculate, the WCS?

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Closely guarded secret; some formula that's plugged into a computer based on the application contents. All of the parts of the application count--letters of reference, varsity athlete, leadership positions, etc.

13. usnabgo08USNA 2008/BGO5-Year Member

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The last time there were approximately 2,500 fully qualified candidates was Class of 2014. Classes 2015-2017 saw increases each year. Class of 2018 was around where Class of 2017 was. Unless things have changed and the Admissions Board decided to qualify less candidates this year and we go with trend analysis, my percentages would hold true (under 45%). The number of offers has been consistent around 1400.

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