How many nominees

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  1. SMZ

    SMZ 5-Year Member

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    Is there any known publication of how many nominees each congress person has at each of the Academies at any time? I couldn't find anything and my guess is that they don't publish the numbers but I was just curious. Would it vary by depending on the congress person?
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    packermatt7 5-Year Member

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    5 per Congressman/Congresswoman
     
  3. SMZ

    SMZ 5-Year Member

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    I know its 5 per, however that means some years there are more than one vacancy, and also if there is a new congressmen elected, do they carry over the nominees from the previous office holder? I live in NY, Clinton is now Secretary of State and the new senator is Gillibrand. Does she have 5 available spots? Or only however many vacancies left over by Hillary?
     
  4. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    A member of congress may nominate up to 10 people for each opening they have at a service academy. A member of congress may have no more than 5 "credited" appointees at any service academy.

    So in theory he/she could nominate up to 50 people in a single year. My MOC has 2 openings at USAFA this year; we'll be able to nominate up to 20 candidates.

    Steve
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    USAFA '83
     
  5. Christcorp

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    Members of congress nominations are "Representative" in nature. That means that 453 representatives can have up to 5 each. Some states have 50+ representative; like California. Some have 1; like Wyoming. It doesn't matter WHO is in that office. That OFFICE is authorized 5 at the academy at any one time. Obviously, there are plenty of others from a particular district. Some have presidential nominations, vp, etc.... Those cadets DON'T COUNT towards the congressman's quota.
     
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    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    To take it a step further...

    Once the "credited appointment" is made, the other nominees are placed into the "qualified alternate" pool. And from that pool almost half of the class will come, in a typical year.

    GREAT example of how this can work. Several years ago our Jr Senator: Jon Kyl, nominated 20 candidates to USAFA. Of course, 2 were appointed and 18 went to the qualified alternate pool.

    When all the dust settled from the appointment process, another 12 of Sen Kyl's nominees were appointed!!!

    He was so ecstatic that he called the ALO's to tell US and congratulate US...we said: "Congratulate the students!!!"

    And to show the kind of guy he is: he did just that!

    Steve
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  7. SMZ

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    Okay, that makes sense now, thank you Flieger and Christcorp.
     
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    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    No.

    The academy will select the most qualified, provided that the MoC doesn't designate a "Principle and 9 alternates" method. But let's not go there...suffice it to say, 1 is going to USAFA and the other 9 go into the qualified alternate pool.

    From there...any of them might be selected as that's where we get a LOT of the class!!!

    See my note above re: Senator Jon Kyl.

    Steve
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  9. SMZ

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    I was writing that before I saw your Senator Kyl example, I'll delete mine now. Thanks again, that clears up a lot of confusion (And anxiety)
     
  10. psessions

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    Do you know how many people the Florida Senators can nominate for each opening they have at the service academy's? Is it posted anywhere?
     
  11. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator 10-Year Member

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    Any MOC (House or Senate) may nominate up to 10 people for each opening they wish to fill.

    Steve
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    USAFA '83
     
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    8 year old thread. What’s the record for the oldest thread replied to? Lol

    Kudos to psessions. It’s excellent to see someone actually use the search button and find threads that are appropriate, and ask questions there instead of starting a new thread. Good for you. You rock :rockon:
     
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    I hate to gravebump this thread (not really), but is there a way to check how many nominations a senator or representative can make in a given year?

    I come from a competitive state (TX) and live in a competitive district which is making me uncertain as to what is going to happen. I was planning on contacting my BGO and my ALO in the coming weeks as I get the ball rolling on the majority of my application.
    For reference: I think I'm a pretty average candidate - 3.3 GPA 1 year in engineering at TAMU, 3.9 GPA in HS, NHS, varsity wrestling (lettered once), doing pretty well on CFA, had multiple jobs (3 were leadership based) and a prestigious internship through a state government action and I was even there for the bill signing and interviewed by the governor (but I ended up moving states so that's not gonna help me now, but I'll do anything I can to help my package). I did move my senior year of high school and kept up with my achievements without faltering, if that works in my favor.

    Given my statistics and the probability that there's possibly only 1 or 2 spots open at both USAFA and USNA (in my district there were 7 appointments for class of '19, 2 this year (class of '22) upon doing 30 seconds of research) and I come from a place where both appointments last year were basically mutants (one guy was 4 time varsity wrestling, head of house student council, and an eagle scout - the other guy was 2 sport varsity athlete, district champion, student hero program director for a food bank, NJROTC platoon commander, and AP scholar with distinction) Both of them were appointed to USNA. In may 2016 1 was appointed and in may 2015 3 others were appointed to USNA. Does this mean there are no USNA spots for my congressman? USNA is my first pick and USAFA my second (if I had to rate them but I don't even know if I'm good enough) but my end goal is to get into either academy because I know once I get in it'll allow me to prove myself among my fellow midshipmen/cadets.

    //bump the 9 year old thread :)
     
  14. Falcon A

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    I don’t think there is a published source. If you are so bold you could ask the MOc’s staff or you SA admissions POC but I don’t think they will tell you.

    I don’t think you need to try to game it ... there are other sources of nominations the SA can book your appointment against if the SA wants you and your MOC’s slate at the SA is “full”.

    It is true that the most sure way to gain an appointment is to “win your MOC’s slate”. Either be picked as #1 by the MOC or have the SA rank you as #1 from the MOC’s nominations.
     
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    Stop worrying about it. It’s completely out of your control. Present your case as best as you can and let the chips fall where they may. Seems like you’re wasting a lot of energy unnecessarily. To paraphrase a certain 1980s-era movie: “Just get in the fight, Maverick, get in the fight!”
     
  16. Hoodlum15

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    If there are no spots what are you going to do about it? Unless your family is planning on up and moving the answer is most likely nothing. There are a million things within your control that you can do to make yourself a more competitive candidate, and this isn't one of them. Time is a precious asset, use it wisely.
     
  17. flieger83

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    There is not. That's the simple answer.

    There is "probably" a staff member that can answer this question but to what end? It doesn't matter how many openings for nomination there may or may not be; you only care about ONE nomination: yours.

    So do all you can to be the highest rated applicant.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83