How many people get kicked out on R-day?
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Lol. Touche!
Sydney C.
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LongAgoPlebe
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I'm almost certain that was in my Reef Points...alas, I cannot verify...but it is definitely one of those plebe-like facts I knew!
yes, they have lost some- not sure of exact number yet and it is dynamic. I was there Saturday for the fireworks show and spoke with a couple of people there who have some knowledge. I heard one person quit after 35 minutes!! and an international cadet didn't show up either. I have heard numbers ranging from a few to a rumor that was much higher but time will tell. As someone mentioned earlier drug screen results should be coming back soon so may lose some there??
I also spoke with a parent who said their son wants to quit he has been telling them "it's not for him" His parents are hoping a really nice independence day concert and plebes having 90 minutes or so of fun may sway him. to see a different side of cadet and academy life I am sure many other kids are in a state of some shock as well. We haven't heard from our new cadet yet but saw him from a distance (he didn't see us) but he appeared to be having a great time at the concert along with many other cadets.
p.s. they also go thru the gas chamber this week. I am sure that will also reinforce the fun and rewards to be had as a cadet
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Our son is a platoon sergeant at Beast and has reported several drops, but no class-wide numbers. Typical drop points are during Beast, after first academic semester/end of Plebe year, and right before junior year affirmation. Cadets separate at other junctures as well all the way up to graduation for various reasons, but those three milestones are common decision points.
With very limited exception, a new cadet should never quit before the end of Beast and preferably end of first year. It is irreversible. A cadet can quit after plebe year, go to civilian college, realize it was a mistake, and then be readmitted at the point at which they left off. It won't happen if they quit during Beast.
Plebe year is an emotional roller coaster - especially Beast. It is common to cycle between "want to quit/don't want to quit". I have known several people that regretted quitting too soon and not giving the SA a fair shot, but have never known anyone who said they should have quit sooner than they did.
Plebe year is an emotional roller coaster - especially Beast. It is common to cycle between "want to quit/don't want to quit". I have known several people that regretted quitting too soon and not giving the SA a fair shot, but have never known anyone who said they should have quit sooner than they did.
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I do not have any indicators of my DD quitting; however, I have never heard anything like this before. Is this true? If yes, is it specific to USMA or does it extend to other SA's? The reason I ask is two-fold: for my own knowledge; and our DD has a friend at USNA currently and he has already called home a couple times saying he wants to quit, the military isn't for him, he made a mistake, etc.
I am only familiar with USMA with regard to reapplying. USMA does allow former cadets to apply for readmission. It is not a quick and easy process and certainly shouldn't be planned for as a hedge, but it has been done. Obviously, the chances of acceptance depend heavily on the cadet's performance while at USMA and reason for separation, as well as what has been done since separation.
One of the more notable cases is General John Nicholson, current Commander of US Forces Afghanistan. He entered USMA with the class of '79, resigned after finishing plebe year, graduated from Georgetown in 1979, and then re-entered USMA and graduated in 1982. I am going off memory and may be slightly off on the class he entered with and whether he left after plebe or yearling year, but he definitely left, graduated from Georgetown in '79, was readmitted and became First Captain of Class of '82.
To be clear - anyone with this option in mind before they resign, should not resign (unless perhaps they are quickly approaching affirmation). This is realistically only an option for a cadet with good performance (probably at least a year) who realizes that resigning was the worst mistake they ever made.
At USNA you can reapply. I can remember 3 who left USNA and came back 1-2 years later. They all had made it thru the first two years then left. After a semester at college they all decided to come back. They had to be very pro active and really advocate on their own behalf. The interviews and recommendations play a large role in this. Leaving Plebe Summer and wanting to come back... that is much tougher to justify. I know of 1 from my class who was thrown out for conduct and came back. She had to really work at it. She found a grad who served as a mentor, did an incredible amount of reading and discussions with the mentor, and did lots of volunteer work along with great grades. And yes they usually come back where they left at (in regards to semesters). Every year there are also medical cases and Cadets/Mids who come back after a semester on up to 2 years away. Nominations and the reapplication can vary in these situations and are a case by case with admissions.
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I voluntarily separated in June 1990 in good standing. Can't remember my place in the OOM, but I had a 3.4 QPR, IIRC - GPA was higher, I had a B in conduct, a B on my PFT, and an A in military. During my first semester at the college to which I transferred, I got a call from a USNA admissions person asking whether I was interested in applying for re-entry. I don't know whether this was or is a large-scale practice, but I was pretty surprised. Even in the early 1990s, it's not like the SAs were hurting for applications from qualified applicants. The person I talked with obviously knew her stuff: she offered to contact my Senators and Representative for a nomination interview and described how my application would be "expedited" (my memory of the term may be incorrect). I declined. I wonder whether this is a continuing practice. It would not surprise me either that it continues in some limited, targeted ways, and that personnel neither admit nor deny that it happens.
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Haven't been here for a while - but yes, candidates have indeed been booted on R-Day for weight. Class of 2017 has a few sent home for weight on R-Day -- forget the number. But they also received a letter in March/April explaining that anyone showing up overweight who failed the tape test would be sent home. Since then, the Comm has changed and the emphasis might be a bit different. Point is, if there is a standard, exceed it and you won't have anything to worry about.