I Left AFROTC and they told me this...

@bossman9696

You might have unwittingly invited some of this speculation. If you truly wanted to keep your post as short as possible, you might have said “I’m in my 4th year AFROTC, non-scholarship, due to graduate in Fall 2018. For personal reasons, I want to pursue a career outside the military. After initiating the disenrollment process, I have been told I have to serve a 2-year enlistment. I owe only $6k. What options do I have for appeal? Thank you for any advice.”

The mention of your big social media following and the multi six-figure business you have built around it is not germane to the issue, and in the flattened medium of an anonymous Internet forum, perhaps conveyed hubris you did not intend.
I disagree with your comment on how he should have stated his case. Sure if he was making a his case in a courtroom or in front of a board, I would agree keeping it short and direct would bet he best course. However, here on the forum, the more detail the better. Even if it makes him look him look bad. I can guarantee you, the next post after asking his original question would have been , what are the personal reasons. There is a difference between saying I have to stay home, support my sick mother as my father died and and their is no one else to take care of her and I figured out how to make tons of money on the internet. I have no idea if either story is good or bad in terms on how the AF would react, but if you are going to ask advice or better yet give advice, you may as know as much of the story as possible. I guess if the only advise is to get a lawyer, I guess we dont need any details.

Honestly, we don't need to know the details. He signed paperwork when he became a POC. That is the end of subject. It is a legally binding contract, and he was over 18. He needs to hire an attorney that knows military law to get out of serving 2 yrs enlisted.

Again, end of subject...read the fine print on the paperwork you signed the beginning of your AS300 yr. If you want to vent, go for it, we will be here, but in the end most of us will say exactly what we are saying now.

One thing nobody has approached yet is security clearance. The fact is if he got a TS, that already cost the AF thousands of dollars, and it is valid for 5 yrs. They want that money back and the way they are going to do it is making him go enlisted.
~ He can say he is doing his own business, but if it fails within a yr, he can go gov or contractor job and have that clearance which the AF paid. In essence, and in their eyes they paid out in advance with the belief you will work for them, but you said...sorry, I have a better option and so, suck it up, and obtw thanks for that security clearance which costs alot so I can use it to my advantage for a new job.

Like I said you probably don't want to read my opinion, because I am being brutally honest. You signed a contract as a POC. You are the one that is breaking it, not the AF. The AF is willing to fulfill their end of the bargain, by commissioning you, but you are not wanting to fulfill your end of the bargain by serving.
 
My response is going to be a little harsher. You managed to build a business to a successful level. If you have to do a couple years active and leave it then hire someone to manage it until your obligation is met. If that fails, you did it once and should be able to replicate the success.
My next point is going to chafe a little. What in your mind is wrong with serving as an enlisted member for a couple of years? You were willing to rely on them to make or break you as an officer but yet don't want to serve with them due to your wealth and acquired station you now hold? My take is you made the call. Suck it up, pay the bill in whatever form it's presented and move on. It's called adulthood.
 
My response is going to be a little harsher. You managed to build a business to a successful level. If you have to do a couple years active and leave it then hire someone to manage it until your obligation is met. If that fails, you did it once and should be able to replicate the success.
My next point is going to chafe a little. What in your mind is wrong with serving as an enlisted member for a couple of years? You were willing to rely on them to make or break you as an officer but yet don't want to serve with them due to your wealth and acquired station you now hold? My take is you made the call. Suck it up, pay the bill in whatever form it's presented and move on. It's called adulthood.
I have no idea what his social media business is but in many cases, it involves a specifiic individual. I mean if he created a website that sells shoes, sure you can get anyone qualified to run it. If he is personally and involved in the social media business as in he is in pictures, video and or audio, having someone else to manage it isnt a realisic solution. I am not arguing that he should be let off the hook although paying what he received makes more sense. The Air Force is going to spend money to train a person who isnt going to be there for more than two years. They are going to pay him a salary and give him benefits and then he is going to be gone. For him personally, they will probably give him the crappiest jobs because why bother training anyone with important skills when they wont use it. I have a sort of friend who was kicked out of one of the academies and he had to enlist for two years because of it. He wound up doing nothing useful in the military because they knew he would be gone in two years and that is what happened. For what he wound up doing, they could have hired some civilian $10 per hour to do the same. His two years there werent exactly a punishment, but it was a waste of time for both him and the military. The irony is that he wound up finishing college as a top student and has been working for the state departement for over 20 years.
 
His case may also be used as a deterrent example to others that might want to do the same thing. Walking away from your legal contract with the military because you had a better offer come up isn't a use case the military wants exploited. I am sure his ROTC unit knows he wants to leave to pursue social media so he probably can't put that back in the box. They might be much more forgiving for a reason, like someone else stated, such as suddenly having to take care of a parent or something like that. How easy is it to break an enlistment contract once you sign and before you go to basic training because a better civilian offer came along?
 
OP has a TS clearance??? Maybe he could get a job at the White House to pay back the government, I heard they are in short supply....
 
OP has a TS clearance???

No. Now people are just jumping to conclusions. In my experience, you’re lucky if your TS gets stamped just prior to being commissioned. I’d say about 90% take much longer, some are not even completed until months after the person has been commissioned. In all likelihood, he does not have his TS.
 
OP has a TS clearance???

No. Now people are just jumping to conclusions. In my experience, you’re lucky if your TS gets stamped just prior to being commissioned. I’d say about 90% take much longer, some are not even completed until months after the person has been commissioned. In all likelihood, he does not have his TS.
My son is graduating in May and nothing yet regarding TS
 
Word on the street is that TSs are taking over a year these days. Either way, a contract is a contract.
 
Interesting, do AF cadets normally get a TS as part of commissioning, or is it just for certain jobs.
 
In addition to consulting a knowledgeable attorney, call your member of congress if you think the decision is being made out of spite or ignorance. They can sometimes work miracles.

I was twice the beneficiary of the power of the MOC:

1. At Branch Personnel for my branch a couple of officers really disliked officers leaving at the end of their commitment. After submitting my resignation they decided to mess with me by issuing orders assigning me to the figurative "North Pole" that would also involuntarily extend my time in service. Unfortunately for them my landlord was the Chief of Staff for a US Senator. I explained the situation and told him I had to break my lease. The next day the orders were rescinded and the person I was working for informed me that someone apparently made quite a commotion at Branch Personnel.

2. In graduate school the VA was unable to find any record of my contributions to the educational benefits program. After weeks of getting nowhere I called my local MOC. A few days later I received a check for everything owed.
 
Word on the street is that TSs are taking over a year these days. Either way, a contract is a contract.
A contract isnt a a contract when the AF allows no payment and no enlistment with one person, payment only with another and enlistment with a third. Assuming they all have the same type of contract, the fact that the AF arbitrary chooses how to penalize the deal breaker means that the deal breaker has the right to argue that he is being treat unfairly. I am neither defending nor attacking the kid's position, but he does have a point. I also think not all things are equal. Sick mom with no dad trumps making big money on the internet. Having said that, there is no official reason for quitting so the AF cant really say he has to enlist because the dont like that he wants to work on his business.
 
A contract isnt a a contract when the AF allows no payment and no enlistment with one person, payment only with another and enlistment with a third.

I don't have any knowledge on how the AF contract reads but the AROTC contract does state that the Army has the right to impose either: Pay back, No Payback, or Enlistment should the contract be broken. They also state that the decision will be made by the Army, not the individual that broke the contract. I still agree that the OP needs to talk with an attorney soon. As far as continued advice, I have a feeling that Elvis has left the building. Good info for others who might read this though.
 
A contract isnt a a contract when the AF allows no payment and no enlistment with one person, payment only with another and enlistment with a third.

I don't have any knowledge on how the AF contract reads but the AROTC contract does state that the Army has the right to impose either: Pay back, No Payback, or Enlistment should the contract be broken. They also state that the decision will be made by the Army, not the individual that broke the contract. I still agree that the OP needs to talk with an attorney soon. As far as continued advice, I have a feeling that Elvis has left the building. Good info for others who might read this though.
Then I stand corrected. If the contract gives the AF (i would assume it cant be too different from the army) the choice, then I guess they can choose how to proceed
 
Interesting, do AF cadets normally get a TS as part of commissioning, or is it just for certain jobs.

No they don’t, also why it’s a mistake to assume the guy has a TS. Only flyers and those going to the Ops community generally get TS, the rest mostly just get secret.

On another note, if the OP really does not want to serve as an EM (and I don’t blame him), he always has a few other options that people have not yet mentioned, even though they are a little more shady. For one, he could attempt to claim conscientious objector status. It may or may not work, just an idea. He could also wash out of basic or tech school, though this could result in a general discharge rather than an honorable. Not saying these are good options, but they are available...
 
No they don’t, also why it’s a mistake to assume the guy has a TS. Only flyers and those going to the Ops community generally get TS, the rest mostly just get secret.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking.
 
No they don’t, also why it’s a mistake to assume the guy has a TS. Only flyers and those going to the Ops community generally get TS, the rest mostly just get secret.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking.
They’ve also been taking almost two years recently. I know someone whose clearance has been processing upwards of 2 years (almost 2.5 now). So no way does anyone have one prior to commissioning unless they’re going rated (there’s a better chance since they start the process earlier).
 
If they are going rated they will have that TS prior to starting UPT, let's be real they are seeing sensitive materials. My DS had his clearance within a few months of starting his AS400 yr.

Jcleppe is correct regarding it specifically states the AF has the final decision. It is not as willy nilly as one might think. For example the geology major might be told here's your bill, go on your way, whereas, the computer major is told you owe us time back. Why? Because it comes down to their major.
 
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