I think I don't stand a chance anymore...

Matas said:
I like the saying "except the worst, hope for the best," because thats what I believe. I am dedicated and committed to the things I do, but in a country with over 300 million people, I keep thinking someone, maybe just with slightly better stats then mine, will get in/take the last slot. I'll continue to keep working for it, and I believe I have a shot at ROTC, but for NAPS, they will see that grade (D, or F) that I had for a semester, and say "nope, not good enough."
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I have been watching this for two days now. You seem to be pretty focused on getting someone to agree with you, so I will.

You don't have a chance. You will never make it.


The reason though is that you don't think you have a chance.
 
matas,

You don't understand why NAPS exist. I think you need to investigate why some are offered NAPS, some are offered USNA, and some are not offered either. It will be very enlightening to you.
 
Pima,

I think there needs to be some clarification. I was a candidate for Naval Academy last year, as a senior. I am now an Army ROTC cadet on a 4-year scholarship. I did say that earlier in the thread but you might not have seen that post. Sorry for any confusion.
 
Matas

You should stop thinking about getting into NAPS and work as hard as you can to get in USNA. Naps is not something you can ask for or apply to. You should work on your math skill first and everything else second, being a strong swimmer will not get you a pilot slot.
 
bfrat,

Sorry I made an error, but with 7 pages of posts, things get muddled. I assumed, and we all know what that means you were not USNA related since you knew it was ALO, but stated B&G, not BGO.

Knowing that info, I am curious on a different front. How did you convince the Army you were positive about them when you were applying for USNA.

I am not being antagonistic. It is important for posters and lurkers to learn why/how others walked that path. Our DS was AF, AF only, he didn't want to be on a boat or a tank.

I can get it if USNA sent the TWE, and NROTC did too, AROTC awarding a scholarship. However, did you go AROTC over NROTC because of the school, the scholarship, or career opportunities?

* understanding that you could go for a side load NROTC scholarship, yet no guarantee, and dis-enrollment from NROTC 2 yrs later.


matas,

haz has a point. As I stated before NAPS is unique, you cannot apply for it, USNA makes the determination. Many candidates think that if USNA offers 1300 apptmts. # 1301-1400 regarding WCS on the NWL will be offered NAPS. Nothing can be further from the truth.

NAPs is typically for the candidate that academically needs 1 more yr for an appointment to USNA. They have everything else the academy wants, but they are worried as a plebe, that academically they are not on par. A 33 ACT/1450 SAT, 3.6 cgpa with 9 APs, won't be offered NAPs. Caveat: unless they are a recruited FB player :wink:

The 28 ACT, 1250 SAT, 3.6 cgpa and 5 APs has a better chance for NAPs.

Hence why I stated some are offered NAPS, USNA or nothing at all.
 
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bfrat,

Sorry I made an error, but with 7 pages of posts, things get muddled. I assumed, and we all know what that means you were not USNA related since you knew it was ALO, but stated B&G, not BGO.

Knowing that info, I am curious on a different front. How did you convince the Army you were positive about them when you were applying for USNA.

I am not being antagonistic. It is important for posters and lurkers to learn why/how others walked that path. Our DS was AF, AF only, he didn't want to be on a boat or a tank.

I can get it if USNA sent the TWE, and NROTC did too, AROTC awarding a scholarship. However, did you go AROTC over NROTC because of the school, the scholarship, or career opportunities?

* understanding that you could go for a side load NROTC scholarship, yet no guarantee, and dis-enrollment from NROTC 2 yrs later.


matas,

haz has a point. As I stated before NAPS is unique, you cannot apply for it, USNA makes the determination. Many candidates think that if USNA offers 1300 apptmts. # 1301-1400 regarding WCS on the NWL will be offered NAPS. Nothing can be further from the truth.

NAPs is typically for the candidate that academically needs 1 more yr for an appointment to USNA. They have everything else the academy wants, but they are worried as a plebe, that academically they are not on par. A 33 ACT/1450 SAT, 3.6 cgpa with 9 APs, won't be offered NAPs. Caveat: unless they are a recruited FB player :wink:

The 28 ACT, 1250 SAT, 3.6 cgpa and 5 APs has a better chance for NAPs.

Hence why I stated some are offered NAPS, USNA or nothing at all.
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Sorry if this comes off as ignorant but what is NAPS?
 
ahuntedyeti said:
Sorry if this comes off as ignorant but what is NAPS?
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I found these using the google machine. It's just got to be in there somewhere. If it's the preserving specialists, I'd much rather it be the marmalade type of preserves than cadavers though Robert Frost would probably allow for both.

NAPS National Association of Presbyterian Scouters
NAPS National Association of Peer Specialists
NAPS National Association of Premenstrual Syndrome (Kent, UK)
NAPS National Auricula and Primula Society (UK flower enthusiasts club)
NAPS Navy Automated Publishing System
NAPS National Association of Perishable Shippers
NAPS North American Paranormal Society
NAPS National Account Proposal System
NAPS New Account Processing System
NAPS Nigeria Association of Physiotherapy Students
NAPS Northern Arizona Paranormal Society
NAPS Nationwide Association of Preserving Specialists (United Kingdom)
NAPS Naval Academy Preparatory School
 
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ahuntedyeti,

I am pretty sure you figured it out by now. For future reference if there is an acronym you don't get on this site, go to the community feedback forum, and under the sticky there is an acronym list. http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=11568 Trust me, it takes yrs to get it, and eventually you will talk in acronyms.

I.E. Our DS is going to go TDY before he PCS's and while he is doing this they submitted his PRF He is hoping for a PME slot at CGSC, but will be happy if he goes to ACSC. TMO will be there this week

Translation: Son moved, and went on a business trip during the move, he is up for promotion. He is hoping that they will select him for in-resident military education with the Army, as a sister school, but if he gets the AF school he would happy too. Movers will be there this week.

Don't laugh, I came home after being gone for a yr as a wife, and my best friend said: Could you talk in human words?

My ILs never took the time to learn the lingo. My Mom did. Take the time to learn the lingo. Your child will love you for "getting it". I say that because the world they are entering is acronyms, and that will become 1st nature when they speak. It will become frustrating if they have to go through it over and over again for the next 5-10 yrs.

Trust me, my DH is Bullet, the F35 guy. Married 24 yrs next month. Our DS is at UPT and I am still learning.



Back on topic. Candidates cannot apply for NAPS only. USNA only can offer this option, just like foundation scholarships. Foundation scholarships are not ROTC scholarships. They are another SA 1 yr route.

Going further down this path is not only diverting the thread, but not assisting posters. These questions regarding NAPS, foundation scholarships need to be posted on the SA forums because here you will get ROTC answers, there you get SA answers.

Not trying to be rude, just trying to make sure posters find the right discussion forum on this site for the best information.
 
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Before I explain; here is what I first said on this thread:

bfrat93 said:
Dude, I can tell you that my sophomore year in high school was brutal. I struggled a lot in Honors Chem. and almost got a D in it. I had a similar experience in Honors Trig my Junior year. And now I am on a 4-year AROTC scholarship at Penn State (a very competitive school to get a scholarship in). I also had similar feelings. I was very doubtful of my performance and chances and I almost gave.

I too wanted to go to the Naval Academy and was a candidate last year. As you can figure out, I did not get in. However, I have one question to ask you; do you want to be an officer in the United States Military or a graduate from Annapolis? The academies are amazing institutes but if the education and glory of going there is your motivation; don't do it because you will serve as an officer whether you like it or not (not to mention over 350,000 tax payer dollars are invested into you that could have gone to someone who wanted to commit their life to the service). If you legitimately want to serve as an officer then it does not matter where you get those gold bars from. When I was conflicted about not getting into the Academy my JROTC instructor told me how his best CO's where not from the Naval Academy (not at all saying that there are no amazing officers from the Service Academies, I have a huge amount of respect for them). At our Dinning In event this month, our honorable guest was a Colonel who graduated from West Point and served as AROTC's CO of 2nd Brigade (in other words he got to see cadets at work from ROTC and an academy). He said that the most dedicated ROTC cadets are "Just as good and, if not, better than West Point cadets." I even had the opportunity to speak to a retired Rear Admiral who went to the Naval Academy. He said if he could do it all over again, he would have done ROTC. If you want to be an officer (especially with the budget cuts going into effect) you need to cultivate all options maybe even other branches. I originally wanted Naval Academy, I am now in Army ROTC because the ulitmate goal was to become an officer and that was the opportunity that opened not to mention I am very happy with that choice.

Here is one other piece of advice. If I were to say why I got an ROTC scholarship, it would be because I sold myself. Even though I had a few mediocre grades and not allot of athletics, I pointed out everything good I do and did in my resume and interviews. I sincerely spoke about how I wanted to be an officer and that the money did not matter to me. I showed how I learned from mistakes and how I improved. If this is what you want, you need to lick your wounds, learn from the experience, improve, and show it to the powers that be. Not to mention you need to want this, it must be YOUR dream. If you do that; someone will notice it. They will see how much you are dedicated and even if you don't go to the Naval Academy or West Point or Air force Academy; you may get the next best thing. For now, rethink your priorities, make adjustments, and do anything and everything possible to improve; the rest will work itself out. It did for me.
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Now onto the life story.:biggrin:

I wanted to be an officer in the military since middle school. In high school I was a cadet in Marine Corps JROTC and started learning about the opportunity of ROTC scholarships. Originally I wanted to go Navy but during my freshman and sophomore year I started to like the Marine Corps (could have been brainwashing though :wink:). As time went on I decided to try Naval Academy (with the intention of competing for Marine slots had I got in) and the Marine Option NROTC scholarship. During this process I had not forgotten about the opportunities of Army ROTC. It made sense to pursue Army since I desired to be a "boots on the ground"(so to speak) officer. During senior year I had applied for both scholarships and Naval Academy. As time went on, however, I felt more of a drawing towards Army. I felt that it had more opportunities and that I may be happier with them. I actually applied for Army relatively late in November due to all the other work and responsibilities I had. I immediately received positive feedback from various officers and others in Army which encouraged me. In the end I did not get Naval Academy or NROTC but the Army gave me the offer, I was actually in a higher tier of applicants. I am very happy with this choice. My desire was to become an officer, I would have been happy in any branch. I actually wish I had applied to West Point and I going to try next year. But the dream was being an officer and the door opened.
 
I know that one doesn't apply to NAPS. One applies to USNA and can be offered NAPS.

I'm afraid I might be overqualified for NAPS, but not good enough for the academy. cgpa means cumulative GPA, right? Well, mine was 4.5 last year. Next year I can take AP classes.

I don't want to be cocky, and overly optimistic. I can be one or the other. One side of me thinks I won't get into NAPS, the other thinks I am good enough for anything. I know I'm not, so I go with the other side. If you guys think it would help, I could be like that, but ehhh, I think it's hard work with good results that gets people places.
 
matas,

Maybe I am getting lost and confused. Aren't you the same poster who only a few days ago said you are failing Geometry and have no AP's yet, and you had a C in Algebra?

I don't get how your cgpa is 4.5 unless your school uses a 6.0 scale, if so that cgpa will drop alot, because at least for the AF they use a 4.5 scale...APs are weighted at 4.5.

If I am wrong about your history, than yes, 4.5 cgpa will mean you're not their ideal candidate for NAPS.

If your cgpa in their re-jigging comes out lower, and depending on your SAT/ACT you may be an ideal candidate.

Either way you will need a nom.

I think you are better served on this site to post questions on the USNA forum since that seems to be the route for commissiong you want to go. This is a ROTC forum.

Best wishes, hopes and thoughts.
 
I'm just being optimistic now.

We use a 5.0 scale for cumulative, and I had an A in ever class except Honors Algebra. This year I will also have an A in every class except for Honors Geometry this semester. I will start posting in the USNA forum.

I will get a nomination from my SNSI (who went to USNA) in NJROTC, and maybe a congressional or senatorial one.

Like I said, I'd hate to be "academically overqualified" for NAPS, but not good enough for USNA.
 
matas,

Remember, it is still the first half of you sophomore year. You have a lot of time to make up for that one bad grade. Not to mention you still have A's on all of your other classes, which is great. I have a little more advice if you want it. You're in NJROTC, right? In that case be as proactive in that group as much as possible, within reason of your academics of course. Try to become an officer your senior year, some people like to see that. Also it may not hurt to take on one or two math courses over the next couple summers at a community college. It may just show them how much you want to improve and want the appointment. Two other things, it may not hurt to start taking SAT's this academic year. I took them 5 times and it was worth the amount of effort. And lastly, apply as early as possible! Here is how it works: the Naval Academy should have admissions open in the spring of your junior year. After you complete the preliminary application it will probobly take a couple weeks for them to open a file for you if you qualify for candidacy. The sooner you get the candidate file, the sooner you can do the plethera of other paper work and meet with your BGO. And PT a lot, their candidate PFT consists of a one-mile run, push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups, and a basket ball throw.

And remember, this is mostly a battle of wills in yourself. Show them that YOU want this. You can do it! I still think you should consider the other branches if being a pilot is what you want. Like I said, try out for every opportunity you can. Best wishes and good luck! :thumb:
 
A few things.

I'm in NJROTC. I'll be a Chief or Ensign next semester, LTJG next year, and maybe CO/XO senior year.

I will work on grades, and I'll see if I can take any math classes in the community college near us.

I was told we could on take the PSAT this year? I'm a sophomore.

I have considered the Air Force, and Marine Air, but I'd prefer Navy. I want to take off from an aircraft carrier (I know Marines do that to).

For PT, I'm above average, but I've never attempted things like a kneeling basketball throw. I'll work on that too.
 
Matas said:
A few things.

I'm in NJROTC. I'll be a Chief or Ensign next semester, LTJG next year, and maybe CO/XO senior year.

I will work on grades, and I'll see if I can take any math classes in the community college near us.

I was told we could on take the PSAT this year? I'm a sophomore.

I have considered the Air Force, and Marine Air, but I'd prefer Navy. I want to take off from an aircraft carrier (I know Marines do that to).

For PT, I'm above average, but I've never attempted things like a kneeling basketball throw. I'll work on that too.
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Yes, you can take the PSAT this year. I would add it's extremely important to take it in October of your Junior year as well. This is the one that is used to determine National Merit Scholarships. Miss that one and no National Merit Scholarship for you. Too bad we didn't know this! Learn from our mistakes and not your own. Use the one this year as practice.
 
The only dates the PSATs are given are in October, I believe, so you've missed it for this year.
 
You can always get a PSAT review book and work on it before taking the test next year:smile: If you want something badly enough you'll keep working to find a way!
 
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The only dates the PSATs are given are in October, I believe, so you've missed it for this year.
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true, but there's nothing to stop a sophomore from taking the SAT or ACT for the first time in the Spring Semester upcoming. You can still take the PSAT next Oct. after having taken the SAT/ACT this Spring ... there is no communication between them.

Also, the PSAT is of limited value unless you are confident you are among the top 2-3% of standardized test takers, in which case you might qualify for National Merit Scholar, which is the whole point of the PSAT.
 
I didn't take the PSAT, because I wouldn't score in the top 2/3%. I just planned on taking the ACT as much times as I can next year.
 
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