I'm a Cow at USMA, AMA (Ask Me Anything)

Were either of your parents helicoptor parents? Do cadets key in to other folks with parents who are too "clingy?"
What's your take on how parents should find that balance between being supportive and just a PITA?
 
Were either of your parents helicoptor parents? Do cadets key in to other folks with parents who are too "clingy?"
What's your take on how parents should find that balance between being supportive and just a PITA?
Repeat this to your parents: "I truly appreciate how much you love me and have always cared for me. I am an adult now, and while there might be times I call upon you for guidance, I am really confident that this is what I want to do/where I belong/choose to study/insert whatever. Thanks for all you've done for me - I've got this now!" :)
 
Were either of your parents helicoptor parents? Do cadets key in to other folks with parents who are too "clingy?"
What's your take on how parents should find that balance between being supportive and just a PITA?
Haha, my mother is a bit of a helicopter. She cares, but it helps I've been independent about all of my life, especially my teenage years and beyond. We talk fairly frequently, once every couple weeks or so, and we text just about daily. I like to keep her up to date on how I'm doing. We communicate, but does she tell me what to do? No. I mean, well, she can try haha. I've been known to do things without asking my parents, such as getting a car or going on pass, and it isn't a big deal. Since before USMA they've trusted me to make the right decisions, and I haven't done anything wrong yet. When they do get too clingy I tell them nice and clear they're crossing boundaries and to respect my area. It might annoy them, but I am an adult now and I need to figure things out on my own. I go to them for advice, but they don't require me to.

I hope that makes sense, I feel like I have a good balance with my parents. I think it comes down to this, no matter what mom or dad say they're not at West Point and you should ultimately never let them decide what you should do. You're so far away (or at least I was) that you could do anything short of illegal acts and they would never have to know. I choose what I tell my parents I'm up to and it's worked out well for us. They know I'd never do something too stupid to get myself out of (I've gotten close!) and I know that they're always there to back me up or give me advice on how to tackle grown up problems (like taxes and car insurance).
 
What has been your experience personally or with those you know with injury during BEAST and then during the academic year?
 
What has been your experience personally or with those you know with injury during BEAST and then during the academic year?
You recover and you move on. Getting hurt, especially if it is outside your control, will not hold you back. We had a girl in my squad hurt her ankle mid way through, she still completed beast. I've known people with major ACL/MCL tears. I myself spent a few months on profile after breaking/tearing up my arm in an accident. Bad things happen, bounce back and you'll be fine. West Point only gets involved if your injury prevents you from completing APFTs and other tasks for longer than 9 months. At that point, then it becomes a question of med leave (where you go home and come back at a later semester). I've only known one cadet to get hurt so bad he could not return (fractured spine and paralysis) but I don't think you need to worry about suffering an injury like that. In his case, I guess his number came up, could've happened to you, to me, to anyone, sometimes it's just over.
 
Two questions: You mentioned that parents were at the July 4 event. We live a long way from NY and are considering staying in the city after we drop our DS for Rday. Would it be a bad idea to come to this event on July 4 if we are still in the area? Are other parents there? We realize that we would not be able to connect with our DS which is fine. But, our FFO mentioned that there is a nice parade and that it is worth seeing atleast one of the 4 years during his attendance at WP? Second question, how easy is it for our DS to get connected to a Bible Study at WP? We knew of the options at USNA, but now that he has decided to attend WP, we do not have much information on the options,
 
Two questions: You mentioned that parents were at the July 4 event. We live a long way from NY and are considering staying in the city after we drop our DS for Rday. Would it be a bad idea to come to this event on July 4 if we are still in the area? Are other parents there? We realize that we would not be able to connect with our DS which is fine. But, our FFO mentioned that there is a nice parade and that it is worth seeing atleast one of the 4 years during his attendance at WP? Second question, how easy is it for our DS to get connected to a Bible Study at WP? We knew of the options at USNA, but now that he has decided to attend WP, we do not have much information on the options,
It's a toss up, I personally wouldn't stick around just because it's a few days later. If you'd like to go, I figure it would be fine. The parents I was referring to would be Officers and their children from the community (and possibly visitors). There won't really be a parade, if I remember right. Your best bet to see a parade would be A-Day, which takes place after beast (and your son would have permission to leave post for the day).

As for bible study, there are so many numerous groups it shouldn't be an issue at all. During and after beast he'll meet several cadets from whatever denomination he's a part of and they'll help him join clubs. I'm Catholic and I know I'm still subscribed to Catholic news from Cadets as well as notices of bible study meetings and major events. If he wants to do bible study, he should have plenty of opportunity. It takes precedence too, missing formation for religious reasons is acceptable. I hope this answers your questions!
 
How many people would say actually max the APFT during beast or are in quality shape?
 
Two questions: You mentioned that parents were at the July 4 event. We live a long way from NY and are considering staying in the city after we drop our DS for Rday. Would it be a bad idea to come to this event on July 4 if we are still in the area? Are other parents there? We realize that we would not be able to connect with our DS which is fine. But, our FFO mentioned that there is a nice parade and that it is worth seeing atleast one of the 4 years during his attendance at WP? Second question, how easy is it for our DS to get connected to a Bible Study at WP? We knew of the options at USNA, but now that he has decided to attend WP, we do not have much information on the options,

If you can stay for the parade on 4th of July, do it. Your Cadet will parade right by you (its not a formal review, just walking by you) as they go to the concert. The concert is really nice and then there are fireworks. It's an amazing time.
 
I saw the pics on FB last year from the 4th of July event and it all looked so fun that we are hoping to attend this year. The advantage of going while your cadet is at CBT is that you may actually see your cadet as s/he parades by when they march in. If you go another year, you cadet isn't likely to be there (unless they are in a leadership detail during CBT) or on post for some reason.
 
How many people would say actually max the APFT during beast or are in quality shape?
Not many, over half fail. You get woken up at 5am and taken out to the field, and they will grade you extremely hard. Is it a big deal to fail? No. I failed. Tons of people do. The Cadre like to take all these statistics of people failing and then acing it at the end to claim they did a great job. Don't worry about failing, the only one you have to pass is the end of beast. If you fail that one, then you're in trouble, but take it from someone who failed the initial APFT bad, it is much easier to pass the second time around.

Maxing is a different question, not many. Those who do are generally freaks of nature as it is. If you pass or max the initial APFT consider yourself in top shape.
 
Not many, over half fail. You get woken up at 5am and taken out to the field, and they will grade you extremely hard. Is it a big deal to fail? No. I failed. Tons of people do. The Cadre like to take all these statistics of people failing and then acing it at the end to claim they did a great job. Don't worry about failing, the only one you have to pass is the end of beast. If you fail that one, then you're in trouble, but take it from someone who failed the initial APFT bad, it is much easier to pass the second time around.

Maxing is a different question, not many. Those who do are generally freaks of nature as it is. If you pass or max the initial APFT consider yourself in top shape.
Is the same true for pull ups on rday?
 
Yep. I did 8, the Cadre watching me counted '1' because she didn't think I was going high enough. It meant nothing and I never heard about it again.

Is it true that all corps squad athletes are in the same company? And how likely is it that I'm going to have someone from my team in my squad ?
 
Is it true that all corps squad athletes are in the same company? And how likely is it that I'm going to have someone from my team in my squad ?
Sort of, during beast you'll probably be grouped together into a company to make stuff like practice easier. Academic year will be a complete scramble. You might have one in your squad, for sure in your platoon.
 
Sure, I'm more than glad to share! CBT is really interesting because before you go, if you're like me, you're probably stressed just thinking about it. I remember I was so worried I would be hazed until I dropped dead. Now, having seen it from the other side, I can tell you it is nothing to worry about. That said, you should take it seriously and do your best, because they will teach you many of the fundamentals.

For starters, the hardest part: boredom. I'll be 100% honest, 2017's beast was a joke, most have been since 2016. 2020 (with hindsight we lead hooah) will most likely have it harder because USMA is more than tired of my class's (and those before us) shenanigans. I was dropped for pushups a whopping total of two times, for just 5 regular count pushups. When we messed up, we wrote letters about what we did wrong (or lines which were repeating the same ' I messed up' sentence 500 times... seriously like elementary school). You will be bored, you will be sitting around between briefs and training events, and that's going to be the hard part. 6 weeks seems like a long time when you're leaving home at 18 for the first time.

My second tip: Don't take CBT too seriously. When I showed up I was legitimately afraid because I had heard all sorts of horror stories. It's not that bad at all. PT at 5, training on and off all day, some sports in the afternoons, and you'll be done by 8ish and in bed by 10. If you can step back and frame it for what it is, you'll see it isn't some big deal. By all means, do take it seriously, but not too much. When you have a bad day, shrug it off, West Point is about learning to overcome failure. Make friends. My beast squad and I still talk, and a number of them are my closest friends. It's been years and we still joke about the dumb stuff we did (and boy were we dumb). When you have time off, go chill in a friend's room. New Cadets are allowed to move around within your hall (or at least that's how it was for me) and you should take advantage of the down time to build relationships with your peers. Beast is so much easier when you're close with your squad. If you get yelled at, take it in stride. Even as a cow I get lit up by officers or NCOs periodically, just take it with a stiff upper lip, "hooah roger sir" and move out. Don't let the yelling mess with your head. I had peers who struggled a ton, they were constantly stressed and considering leaving, but they were taking this whole gig for more than it is. CBT is meant to introduce you to USMA and train you on the most basic of tasks. I know for 2020 and onwards there is a big push for better military training. Expect to spend plenty of time at Camp Buckner, expect to ruck a ton, but also expect to have fun doing stuff your peers outside will most likely never experience.

Now, consider this. Those leading you? They're 20 year olds most likely, they are tired out of their minds. They probably feel like crap because they sleep less then 4 hours a night, and have been doing so weeks before you even showed up. They abuse caffeine like there is no tomorrow, and from experience let me tell you, caffeine on an empty stomach is a quick way to feel awake and nauseous. When you're not around, their Chain of Command is up their *** about their performance. They're afraid of doing poorly, because a bad leadership detail grade will destroy their class rank (my friend earned a C as beast cadre and dropped 200). Your leader's grades are forcibly distributed, someone has to get a poor grade. They're just as stressed as you. They want to go home as bad as you. Shoot, many will have Significant Others waiting for them and they're as desperate to board a plane to go on leave as you are to finish. Why do I tell you this? Because you can make their life hell, or you can help. If you keep yourself squared away, and you hold your peers to that standard, then your Squad Leader's job gets easier and your life gets better. Be early for every formation, always be in the right uniform, keep your room clean, all basic things you can do to help your squad succeed. If someone is struggling in your squad, help them! When your SL is getting lit up all the time behind your back they will and can turn that anger on you. If you stay motivated and execute like they expect, their life is easier, your squad looks like a pack of straight studs, and bam everyone is happier.

As for preparation, go out and run. I was slow as a snail when I showed up and it sucked for the first couple weeks. You'll run either ability groups or interval sprints. The hills will hurt you though, so practice those while you can. Aim to at least run your two miles under 15 minutes. Do pullups as well. I showed up able to do only 8 or so and I was always embarrassed when my peers starting cranking out 10+. Basically, be in good shape. You won't face getting kicked out unless you're just in awful condition, but your peers will immediately start to dislike you if you can't keep up.

I know this is a huge block of text, but CBT is important and I want to provide the most candid explanation that I could. If you got more questions about particular parts of beast, ask away.

Sure, I'm more than glad to share! CBT is really interesting because before you go, if you're like me, you're probably stressed just thinking about it. I remember I was so worried I would be hazed until I dropped dead. Now, having seen it from the other side, I can tell you it is nothing to worry about. That said, you should take it seriously and do your best, because they will teach you many of the fundamentals.

For starters, the hardest part: boredom. I'll be 100% honest, 2017's beast was a joke, most have been since 2016. 2020 (with hindsight we lead hooah) will most likely have it harder because USMA is more than tired of my class's (and those before us) shenanigans. I was dropped for pushups a whopping total of two times, for just 5 regular count pushups. When we messed up, we wrote letters about what we did wrong (or lines which were repeating the same ' I messed up' sentence 500 times... seriously like elementary school). You will be bored, you will be sitting around between briefs and training events, and that's going to be the hard part. 6 weeks seems like a long time when you're leaving home at 18 for the first time.

My second tip: Don't take CBT too seriously. When I showed up I was legitimately afraid because I had heard all sorts of horror stories. It's not that bad at all. PT at 5, training on and off all day, some sports in the afternoons, and you'll be done by 8ish and in bed by 10. If you can step back and frame it for what it is, you'll see it isn't some big deal. By all means, do take it seriously, but not too much. When you have a bad day, shrug it off, West Point is about learning to overcome failure. Make friends. My beast squad and I still talk, and a number of them are my closest friends. It's been years and we still joke about the dumb stuff we did (and boy were we dumb). When you have time off, go chill in a friend's room. New Cadets are allowed to move around within your hall (or at least that's how it was for me) and you should take advantage of the down time to build relationships with your peers. Beast is so much easier when you're close with your squad. If you get yelled at, take it in stride. Even as a cow I get lit up by officers or NCOs periodically, just take it with a stiff upper lip, "hooah roger sir" and move out. Don't let the yelling mess with your head. I had peers who struggled a ton, they were constantly stressed and considering leaving, but they were taking this whole gig for more than it is. CBT is meant to introduce you to USMA and train you on the most basic of tasks. I know for 2020 and onwards there is a big push for better military training. Expect to spend plenty of time at Camp Buckner, expect to ruck a ton, but also expect to have fun doing stuff your peers outside will most likely never experience.

Now, consider this. Those leading you? They're 20 year olds most likely, they are tired out of their minds. They probably feel like crap because they sleep less then 4 hours a night, and have been doing so weeks before you even showed up. They abuse caffeine like there is no tomorrow, and from experience let me tell you, caffeine on an empty stomach is a quick way to feel awake and nauseous. When you're not around, their Chain of Command is up their *** about their performance. They're afraid of doing poorly, because a bad leadership detail grade will destroy their class rank (my friend earned a C as beast cadre and dropped 200). Your leader's grades are forcibly distributed, someone has to get a poor grade. They're just as stressed as you. They want to go home as bad as you. Shoot, many will have Significant Others waiting for them and they're as desperate to board a plane to go on leave as you are to finish. Why do I tell you this? Because you can make their life hell, or you can help. If you keep yourself squared away, and you hold your peers to that standard, then your Squad Leader's job gets easier and your life gets better. Be early for every formation, always be in the right uniform, keep your room clean, all basic things you can do to help your squad succeed. If someone is struggling in your squad, help them! When your SL is getting lit up all the time behind your back they will and can turn that anger on you. If you stay motivated and execute like they expect, their life is easier, your squad looks like a pack of straight studs, and bam everyone is happier.

As for preparation, go out and run. I was slow as a snail when I showed up and it sucked for the first couple weeks. You'll run either ability groups or interval sprints. The hills will hurt you though, so practice those while you can. Aim to at least run your two miles under 15 minutes. Do pullups as well. I showed up able to do only 8 or so and I was always embarrassed when my peers starting cranking out 10+. Basically, be in good shape. You won't face getting kicked out unless you're just in awful condition, but your peers will immediately start to dislike you if you can't keep up.

I know this is a huge block of text, but CBT is important and I want to provide the most candid explanation that I could. If you got more questions about particular parts of beast, ask away.
Thank you so much.

I had few more question if you have time to answer them.

I am ordering everything on candidate portal and some of them are very perplexing so I would appreciate it if your can recommend some things for me. It includes having internet (access to facebook, youtube, instagram, etc), accessories for computer, life insurance. Can you order things from Amazon, etc to deliver it to West Point during school year? I would like to save as much money as I can in case something comes up at West Point. Also, how much does everyone get per month? What does West Point usually take money from your account for? Can your parents provide you with money (possibly put money to your account)?

Once again, thank you so much.
 
I'd like a bit of clarification on the pull-ups. I've heard that, on R-Day, if we can't do close to/ more than the amount on our CFA we could be separated. This scares me to death. What are the pull-up regulations? What is the correct form for pull-ups, so I can practice 100% correctly? Thank you!
 
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