OP didn't ask about a scholarship. He asked about which to "join" in order to best position himself for his future goals.
I'm torn b\w Airforce and Navy ROTC.
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Then the answer could be "none."
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There are so many.
First, I've wanted to be an officer since I was in 3rd grade, and I dont appreciate you speaking of my uninterest for the military. I live in a military town, I know what it means to be an officer, from talking to then constantly. From the academy, to SMC.
Second, I can't answer all these questions if 10 come at a time. If you have a question PM me
Third, I'm still young I may change majors, I'm ready for the ACT, and my GPA has improved. All A's last semester.
Fourth, the military is not a stepping stone. POLITICS JUST CAME INTO THE MIX LAST YEAR.
Finally, my moral and ethical obligation is to protect this country from all enemies foriegn and domestic. I will not be questioned on my motives. I will show you that I not only can walk the walk. But talk the talk.
---- science has always been easy for me, so I'm exploring those majors.
Respectfully,
Deshawn
First, I've wanted to be an officer since I was in 3rd grade, and I dont appreciate you speaking of my uninterest for the military. I live in a military town, I know what it means to be an officer, from talking to then constantly. From the academy, to SMC.
Second, I can't answer all these questions if 10 come at a time. If you have a question PM me
Third, I'm still young I may change majors, I'm ready for the ACT, and my GPA has improved. All A's last semester.
Fourth, the military is not a stepping stone. POLITICS JUST CAME INTO THE MIX LAST YEAR.
Finally, my moral and ethical obligation is to protect this country from all enemies foriegn and domestic. I will not be questioned on my motives. I will show you that I not only can walk the walk. But talk the talk.
---- science has always been easy for me, so I'm exploring those majors.
Respectfully,
Deshawn
I've been keeping up with this post for a while now and it's starting to contradict itself.
Deshawn,
On your second point, you started this thread in the hopes of gaining some advice from veterans all across the board about what YOU should do. The abundant amount of responses means there is a lot of information to be gained. IMPO you are taking the lazy way out if you honestly don't want to read them all. You started it; these people are posting for YOU, not for their health.
On your Fourth point, which is a blatant telling the forum what it wants to hear. In your OP you stated
"I potentially want to run for office in federal gov'(congress, senator, president). I'm going to a SMC in the fall of 2013, and am trying to see which of these two branches, would help me pursue my dream.
Comments, tips,etc are welcome. "
Obviously being an officer isn't your dream as many people have already stated based on your responses and posts.
An other example this is posted when someone clicks on your public profile. Blatantly lying to the forum about your intentions.
"Originally, I choose the Corps, but I didn't wanna get shot at so I choose the navy. Now I'm torn b/w the ,Navy and AF. Ultimately to get me to D.C. SO.....
1) Which will get me there?
2) Why the Corps?"
Deshawn,
On your second point, you started this thread in the hopes of gaining some advice from veterans all across the board about what YOU should do. The abundant amount of responses means there is a lot of information to be gained. IMPO you are taking the lazy way out if you honestly don't want to read them all. You started it; these people are posting for YOU, not for their health.
On your Fourth point, which is a blatant telling the forum what it wants to hear. In your OP you stated
"I potentially want to run for office in federal gov'(congress, senator, president). I'm going to a SMC in the fall of 2013, and am trying to see which of these two branches, would help me pursue my dream.
Comments, tips,etc are welcome. "
Obviously being an officer isn't your dream as many people have already stated based on your responses and posts.
An other example this is posted when someone clicks on your public profile. Blatantly lying to the forum about your intentions.
"Originally, I choose the Corps, but I didn't wanna get shot at so I choose the navy. Now I'm torn b/w the ,Navy and AF. Ultimately to get me to D.C. SO.....
1) Which will get me there?
2) Why the Corps?"
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Wooooooooooooow!!
Read them all, and try to respond but, when I do finally push submit, there are five more. And as many a people have said. Have a short,intermediate, and long term goal
Short- Graduate with all A's for senior year
Interm- Commission, and serve
Long- Lead my country.
No stepping stone. No BS Just facts.
Just want to be #1
Read them all, and try to respond but, when I do finally push submit, there are five more. And as many a people have said. Have a short,intermediate, and long term goal
Short- Graduate with all A's for senior year
Interm- Commission, and serve
Long- Lead my country.
No stepping stone. No BS Just facts.
Just want to be #1
I'm starting down the path of no return, and intend to stop with this post. You're intitled to what you want to do, but the fact that you keep making excuses and trying to mask the fact you messed up rustles my jimmies tremendously.
It's not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" JFK.
Obviously from the way you have posted on this thread, its what the country can do for you.
Which leads to my next point,
you posted
"Finally, my moral and ethical obligation is to protect this country from all enemies foriegn and domestic."
Yet you don't want to be on the front lines to do it as a 2nd LT.
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Stop
I'm not a bad guy. You guys are making me look like an A-h*** stop!
I'm not a bad guy. You guys are making me look like an A-h*** stop!
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I can picture it now....
Reporter: "Mr. Jamison why do you want to be President of the United States."
Jamison: "I want to be number 1."
People don't vote for "number 1", they vote for the person they think will likely do what they want.
You know who else people won't vote for? They guy who's platform is helping the REST of the WORLD. People here pay taxes. People here don't have jobs. People here are paying more and more for less and less (I call that one inflation). People here (and Mickey Mouse) elected presidents, not small African or SE Asian countries.
If service in the military isn't a stepping stone, you wouldn't ask which branch is the best stepping stone to a career in politics.
Finally, don't give anyone the "I know what it takes to be an officer" line. You don't. I don't care how many officers live in your community and how many you've talked to. You have a number of current or prior military officers talking to you here.
Are we tough? Heck no.
Want some more advice? Don't come up with your platform by discussing it with strangers on a website. First, you don't know any of us, and second, we each have different goals/values.
Reporter: "Mr. Jamison why do you want to be President of the United States."
Jamison: "I want to be number 1."
People don't vote for "number 1", they vote for the person they think will likely do what they want.
You know who else people won't vote for? They guy who's platform is helping the REST of the WORLD. People here pay taxes. People here don't have jobs. People here are paying more and more for less and less (I call that one inflation). People here (and Mickey Mouse) elected presidents, not small African or SE Asian countries.
If service in the military isn't a stepping stone, you wouldn't ask which branch is the best stepping stone to a career in politics.
Finally, don't give anyone the "I know what it takes to be an officer" line. You don't. I don't care how many officers live in your community and how many you've talked to. You have a number of current or prior military officers talking to you here.
Are we tough? Heck no.
Want some more advice? Don't come up with your platform by discussing it with strangers on a website. First, you don't know any of us, and second, we each have different goals/values.
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Well.......
I apologize to everyone to everyone in this forum, but most importantly I apoligize to the american people. For I have let you down. I now know what I must do. Thank you all.
Respectfully,
Deshawn Jamison
I apologize to everyone to everyone in this forum, but most importantly I apoligize to the american people. For I have let you down. I now know what I must do. Thank you all.
Respectfully,
Deshawn Jamison
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Ding, ding ding!
All above me said it the best. I don't mean to dogpile, but you've got to get real Deshawn. I'll tell you straight.
It's a dog eat dog world. People aren't going to spoon feed reality to you out there and we're not going to either. You want answers you can PM us, not vice versa.
Second, I hate to say it, but ROTC isn't hurting for bodies. I, and don't mean this disrespectful, could not careless if you join ROTC or not. It's the reason I don't read the "chance me" threads. You should not get your desire to serve or apply for ROTC based on the Internet. It's deeper than that. You either want to join and will apply even if your stats are not the strongest or you won't. And I can't and won't do it for you.
Nobody here thinks you're a bad guy, just a little naive. You need to figure out what YOU want to do before WE can help you figure out HOW to do it.
All above me said it the best. I don't mean to dogpile, but you've got to get real Deshawn. I'll tell you straight.
It's a dog eat dog world. People aren't going to spoon feed reality to you out there and we're not going to either. You want answers you can PM us, not vice versa.
Second, I hate to say it, but ROTC isn't hurting for bodies. I, and don't mean this disrespectful, could not careless if you join ROTC or not. It's the reason I don't read the "chance me" threads. You should not get your desire to serve or apply for ROTC based on the Internet. It's deeper than that. You either want to join and will apply even if your stats are not the strongest or you won't. And I can't and won't do it for you.
Nobody here thinks you're a bad guy, just a little naive. You need to figure out what YOU want to do before WE can help you figure out HOW to do it.
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Dunninla, I know he didn't ask about scholarship, but in AF/NROTC soph yr in college is a make or break yr. He can walk on with no scholarship for AFROTC, but for SFT/EA that 21 ACT is part of his AFROTC record. He does not mean the mins, he is way, way off....29 would be eh, 30 would be safe for SFT selection, especially as a non-tech.
Again, no SFT, no POC, no POC, no commissioning. Worse yet for him, dis-enrolled = no OCS.
It was and is not about scholarship when I asked the stats, it is about 2 yrs from now and the SFT/EA board. Nothing more, and nothing less.
I don't know about NROTC regarding ACT/SAT scores and how it plays into contracting. I will let NROTC posters say whether they carry it over to college.
Deshawn,
Take this with a grain of salt.
Our children were born into the military, they attended no less than 9 schools in 5 different states as AD children. DS is now an O1. He lived, breathed, and ate the military life much more than you for 18 yrs, and he will tell you he now knows he had no clue at 17, even as a son of an officer what it means to be an officer.
Just a piece of advice from a poster, the belief you know what it means because you live in a military town and talk casually to officers does not equate to really knowing. Throttle back.
OBTW, as a wife that spent 20 yrs married as an ADAF spouse, and 4 yrs prior dating a AFROTC cadet, I know for a fact that I will never truly know what it means to be an officer. I assume, just like you, and we all know what assume means.
Hard to read, but welcome to the big boy/girl club. ROTC instructors (incl. cadets) are going to pepper you with multiple questions at one time, and you won't have time to collect your thoughts to answer.
Harsh, again, I know. I hope you take this as a learning tool. You don't need a pm, nobody placed you on a time limit. Take the time and answer, don't try to deflect your lack of answer.
This site is really an asset for your future career to understand, we may be hard, but we are not grading you, your unit will be. Are you seriously going to say to the CVWC, I can't answer 10 questions at once? Doubtful. ROTC prepares you for AD life. You want to be Intel, you need to know the information. Nobody asked questions you didn't already know the answers to, seriously, you know your cgpa, you know your SAT/ACT, you know if you have medical issues. You have to know if you are willing to serve on a sub.
We didn't ask if you think there is life on Mars. We asked basic questions pertaining to you.
Great, we have a starting point. You have all A's, and your major is yet to be determined.
Now understand that for AF/NROTC if you enter as a TECH, and want to go Non-TECH, you need to talk to the cadre.
Some call that gaming the system. Apply Tech, get in and change to non-tech. AFROTC has closed that loophole.
Hard again, and again, I am sorry for the harshness.
Posters want you to get that dream of pinning on butter bars, but it can only happen if you lower your guard and let us help.
Lastly nobody was questioning your moral or ethical motives, we were saying you can protect this county from all enemies foreign and domestic in other ways than the AF or the Navy. There is no less honor if you are a GS in the CIA, or Homeland.
You are angry right now, because nobody in your mind is supporting you. The reality is you are wrong. We are all supporting you, you just refuse to hear what we are saying.
Take the time and absorb what is being said. Cliche in the business world. It is not personal. The best officer gets that.
Not one person thinks your a curse word. That is how you are perceiving our responses because not one of us is sitting her going...WOOT, WOOT!
My post was to illustrate how your 4 points may be seen in a different way than you ever imagined.
Again, no SFT, no POC, no POC, no commissioning. Worse yet for him, dis-enrolled = no OCS.
It was and is not about scholarship when I asked the stats, it is about 2 yrs from now and the SFT/EA board. Nothing more, and nothing less.
I don't know about NROTC regarding ACT/SAT scores and how it plays into contracting. I will let NROTC posters say whether they carry it over to college.
Deshawn,
Take this with a grain of salt.
deshawnjamison said:
Our children were born into the military, they attended no less than 9 schools in 5 different states as AD children. DS is now an O1. He lived, breathed, and ate the military life much more than you for 18 yrs, and he will tell you he now knows he had no clue at 17, even as a son of an officer what it means to be an officer.
Just a piece of advice from a poster, the belief you know what it means because you live in a military town and talk casually to officers does not equate to really knowing. Throttle back.
OBTW, as a wife that spent 20 yrs married as an ADAF spouse, and 4 yrs prior dating a AFROTC cadet, I know for a fact that I will never truly know what it means to be an officer. I assume, just like you, and we all know what assume means.
deshawnjamison said:
Hard to read, but welcome to the big boy/girl club. ROTC instructors (incl. cadets) are going to pepper you with multiple questions at one time, and you won't have time to collect your thoughts to answer.
Harsh, again, I know. I hope you take this as a learning tool. You don't need a pm, nobody placed you on a time limit. Take the time and answer, don't try to deflect your lack of answer.
This site is really an asset for your future career to understand, we may be hard, but we are not grading you, your unit will be. Are you seriously going to say to the CVWC, I can't answer 10 questions at once? Doubtful. ROTC prepares you for AD life. You want to be Intel, you need to know the information. Nobody asked questions you didn't already know the answers to, seriously, you know your cgpa, you know your SAT/ACT, you know if you have medical issues. You have to know if you are willing to serve on a sub.
We didn't ask if you think there is life on Mars. We asked basic questions pertaining to you.
deshawnjamison said:
Great, we have a starting point. You have all A's, and your major is yet to be determined.
Now understand that for AF/NROTC if you enter as a TECH, and want to go Non-TECH, you need to talk to the cadre.
Some call that gaming the system. Apply Tech, get in and change to non-tech. AFROTC has closed that loophole.
Great, wonderful, and mazel tov. You stated since you were @ 9 yrs old you wanted to serve, but JMPO for someone that has known for almost a decade, talked to lots of officers, you are still lost.deshawnjamison said:
Hard again, and again, I am sorry for the harshness.
Posters want you to get that dream of pinning on butter bars, but it can only happen if you lower your guard and let us help.
deshawnjamison said:
Lastly nobody was questioning your moral or ethical motives, we were saying you can protect this county from all enemies foreign and domestic in other ways than the AF or the Navy. There is no less honor if you are a GS in the CIA, or Homeland.
You are angry right now, because nobody in your mind is supporting you. The reality is you are wrong. We are all supporting you, you just refuse to hear what we are saying.
Take the time and absorb what is being said. Cliche in the business world. It is not personal. The best officer gets that.
Not one person thinks your a curse word. That is how you are perceiving our responses because not one of us is sitting her going...WOOT, WOOT!
My post was to illustrate how your 4 points may be seen in a different way than you ever imagined.
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Thanks bull
I truely love when people shoot it to me straight. I haven't tasted reality yet, but when it comes I'll be ready.
I truely love when people shoot it to me straight. I haven't tasted reality yet, but when it comes I'll be ready.
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deshawn,
I have to ask why this post.
Huh?
Seriously, how on earth have you let the American people down.
This post sounds like a stump speech. You are missing the point what people are saying here.
You are in HS, you let your parents, teachers, coaches and peers/teammates down, but how as a 17 yo do you let me as a citizen down? Did you have control over anything nationally that impacts my life, such as, taxes, DOD budget, homosexual marriage or birth control?
NO!
You are 17, maybe 18, apologizing is not needed. You need to learn and grow, for that fact alone no apology at your age is needed.
I think this thread gave you a true taste of reality now. I don't know what more you want...a 2 by 4 upside your cranium, maybe? Even this last comment insinuates that you are not taking posters seriously..."when it comes I'll be ready". Just me, but I thought it was already here, of course you may want that 2 by 4
Honestly, when is reality to you?
I have to ask why this post.
deshawnjamison said:
Huh?
Seriously, how on earth have you let the American people down.
This post sounds like a stump speech. You are missing the point what people are saying here.
You are in HS, you let your parents, teachers, coaches and peers/teammates down, but how as a 17 yo do you let me as a citizen down? Did you have control over anything nationally that impacts my life, such as, taxes, DOD budget, homosexual marriage or birth control?
NO!
You are 17, maybe 18, apologizing is not needed. You need to learn and grow, for that fact alone no apology at your age is needed.
deshawnjamison said:
I think this thread gave you a true taste of reality now. I don't know what more you want...a 2 by 4 upside your cranium, maybe? Even this last comment insinuates that you are not taking posters seriously..."when it comes I'll be ready". Just me, but I thought it was already here, of course you may want that 2 by 4
Honestly, when is reality to you?
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I'm 17 year old senor in hs
I will try to be open to, constructive critisism . Thank you all. And my platform,dors need work!
I will try to be open to, constructive critisism . Thank you all. And my platform,dors need work!
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I have, but it has always been pretty easy for me
Sure I had disappointment, but who hasn't? I had heart ache and pain. Sun shine and rain. I win alot, but I loose alot more. I get knocked down but I get back up again. Then again I see the cup as half full, so...........
Sure I had disappointment, but who hasn't? I had heart ache and pain. Sun shine and rain. I win alot, but I loose alot more. I get knocked down but I get back up again. Then again I see the cup as half full, so...........
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Time to get out the sextant because I am lost.
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Having worked with those GSs in DHS... I can tell you, there is less honor.... much less.
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Ok, so you don't want the possibility of dying in order for you to get to Washington DC. Here's a little tip: Don't join the Military! If that is the only reason you left the army or Marines off the list I highly doubt the military is the right place for you unless you have samo esoteric knowledge that I can not simply comprehend or have overlooked over the last four and a half years. If you simply did not want to join the Corps because of the risk of life or limb then you really never WANTED it.
The more you post it seems like this "lead" philosophy you preach is just a future campaign slogan for our political career and not in the best interest of our nation's defense. But of course I do not know you and hope you can prove me wrong.
Your last post was odd. In what way have you placed yourself that you would have let down the American people. You are not Nixon at Watergate. Stop posting double threads, stop writing pseudo politcal-esque apologies, keep up the A streak and listen to the advice or move along.
Your posts sound like you are Rocky on a pre-workout supplement listening to "Eye of the Tiger"... Tone it down like all of the other "chance" prospects that post here.
The more you post it seems like this "lead" philosophy you preach is just a future campaign slogan for our political career and not in the best interest of our nation's defense. But of course I do not know you and hope you can prove me wrong.
Your last post was odd. In what way have you placed yourself that you would have let down the American people. You are not Nixon at Watergate. Stop posting double threads, stop writing pseudo politcal-esque apologies, keep up the A streak and listen to the advice or move along.
Your posts sound like you are Rocky on a pre-workout supplement listening to "Eye of the Tiger"... Tone it down like all of the other "chance" prospects that post here.
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Memo to the Real Deshawn Jamison
The Real Deshawn Jamison
H----ville, GA
Dear the Real Mr. Jamison:
I just thought you should know that some jackass has been using your real name to post nonsense 24/7 on a public forum. Apparently you have an enemy who is jealous and doing whatever he/she can to embarass you and mess up your future. It could even be a committee. So be careful.
Sincerely:
EDelahanty
The Real Deshawn Jamison
H----ville, GA
Dear the Real Mr. Jamison:
I just thought you should know that some jackass has been using your real name to post nonsense 24/7 on a public forum. Apparently you have an enemy who is jealous and doing whatever he/she can to embarass you and mess up your future. It could even be a committee. So be careful.
Sincerely:
EDelahanty
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And what he may not understand, but the PR side in my wants to remind him... things on the internet tend to come back to haunt us.... especially if we use our actual names.
Reporter: What makes you a good leader? What is it in your character that will make the country follow you?
Jamison: Well I'm number 1.
Reporter: And....
Jamison: And I served my country against all threats.
Reporter: I have here a discussion thread on the Internet from 2012 in which you tell people who didn't want to be in the Army or Marine Corps because you might be shot at. What kind of leader are you? Are you only willing to lead in the summer, when the sun is shining?
Jamison: Now you're making me sound like an a-hole. Stop!
To tell you the truth, his apology, while entirely a joke, was the most politically astute thing he's said.... and I feel like being 3 blocks from the White House gives me that "insight".
Reporter: What makes you a good leader? What is it in your character that will make the country follow you?
Jamison: Well I'm number 1.
Reporter: And....
Jamison: And I served my country against all threats.
Reporter: I have here a discussion thread on the Internet from 2012 in which you tell people who didn't want to be in the Army or Marine Corps because you might be shot at. What kind of leader are you? Are you only willing to lead in the summer, when the sun is shining?
Jamison: Now you're making me sound like an a-hole. Stop!
To tell you the truth, his apology, while entirely a joke, was the most politically astute thing he's said.... and I feel like being 3 blocks from the White House gives me that "insight".
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