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I know the Upperclassman Mids who are training the PCs in the " indc" period, If they use the PC's surname to make jokes and obviously make the PC feel rejected and ignored, is this considered "bully"? Can PC report to the school?
 
A certain amount of this type of behavior is common during INDOC and plebe year as a whole. Your PC will have to develop a thicker skin if he/she wants to survive at Kings Point and especially in the Maritime industry. My best advice for seeking a kind listening ear would be to start by talking to the chaplain after Sunday service. Any other course of action risks making things worse.
 
kpmom2013 said:
在整个 INDOC 和平民年期间，一定数量的此类行为很常见。如果您的 PC 想在 Kings Point 生存，尤其是在海事行业，他/她就必须发展出更厚的皮肤。我寻求善意倾听的最佳建议是在周日礼拜后与牧师交谈。任何其他行动方案都有可能使事情变得更糟。
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Thanks for your advice.
 
matlisa said:
I know the Upperclassman Mids who are training the PCs in the " indc" period, If they use the PC's surname to make jokes and obviously make the PC feel rejected and ignored, is this considered "bully"? Can PC report to the school?
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I agree with the others. My last name is pronounced a certain way but the cadre have butchered it in a way to make fun of my DS. He knew it was coming and just had to adapt and rise above it. Like I told him, when indoc is over some of the cadre that are his football teammates will become brothers and will call him by his name correctly. I also reminded him that one day it will be his turn!!!
 
Part of it...my PC has a crazy last name and he has heard every variation before indoc and new ones during...the truth is if your PC shows outwardly that it bothers him/her it will be worse. If your PC doesn't let it bother them and they see that it doesn't bother them...not saying they will stop...but it won't be as a big of a focus for the cadre. Trust me on this one...the drill sergeants will not care regardless.

I went through this process at USMA and was prior service...so I went through it a few times at different levels. Here is a roadmap of what our PC's are going to go through...assuming that it is similar to USMA:

Indoc...it's awful the first few days (shock to the system)...then it becomes routine. The cadet cadre usually loosen up a little...you will have some that simply like being jerks, and they will just have to endure it...keep their bearing...learn from bad leadership. The bad will teach them as much as the good (I'm not going to be that guy). By the end of indoc...they will be more relaxed and less stressed.

Re-organization...just when they were more relaxed, now the entire student body returns and they are introduced to the upperclassmen that will be in charge of the their company for the entire year. Stress levels will go back up...those two days are not going to be fun. My advice, tell your PC to get out there and take the heat...let them know you are not afraid. I went out in the halls so much and answered questions until I got them right...finally a senior said...don't come back out--send some of your classmates out here. It was honestly a game to me and that is how they should play it.

Academic year...not saying that stress and pressure will go away, but the upperclassmen will be be battling their classes. Our PC's will have duties and fall into a routine. Plus they will have the extra pressure of academics. Shining shoes and pressing uniforms is important (do the majority on the weekends...fine tune during the week)....but academics is the most important...academics keeps you in the academy. I would take some demerits or punishment tours for scuffed shoes or dull brass and have B's & A's, over pristine uniform and D's & F's and a ticket back home.

Once the academic year hits, it is like a sequence of hurdles or check points that you go through:

Check Point 1: Get through Indoc
Check Point 2: Acceptance
Check Point 3: Mets Game
Check Point 4: Parents Weekend
Check Point 5: Homecoming
Etc....

Best way to eat an elephant...one bite at a time.

After recognition, it's like you can breath and enjoy where you are for a split second. The cadets who were jerks...some will be great to your DS/DD...others are just jerks. They just want be yelling as much.

Then, they will be on a ship and using all of the skills they learned this year with a crew of professional merchant marines. Some of those folks will be great to them and others would rather that they not be on the ship.

Hope this helps.
 
airbornedaddy said:
Part of it...my PC has a crazy last name and he has heard every variation before indoc and new ones during...the truth is if your PC shows outwardly that it bothers him/her it will be worse. If your PC doesn't let it bother them and they see that it doesn't bother them...not saying they will stop...but it won't be as a big of a focus for the cadre. Trust me on this one...the drill sergeants will not care regardless.

I went through this process at USMA and was prior service...so I went through it a few times at different levels. Here is a roadmap of what our PC's are going to go through...assuming that it is similar to USMA:

Indoc...it's awful the first few days (shock to the system)...then it becomes routine. The cadet cadre usually loosen up a little...you will have some that simply like being jerks, and they will just have to endure it...keep their bearing...learn from bad leadership. The bad will teach them as much as the good (I'm not going to be that guy). By the end of indoc...they will be more relaxed and less stressed.

Re-organization...just when they were more relaxed, now the entire student body returns and they are introduced to the upperclassmen that will be in charge of the their company for the entire year. Stress levels will go back up...those two days are not going to be fun. My advice, tell your PC to get out there and take the heat...let them know you are not afraid. I went out in the halls so much and answered questions until I got them right...finally a senior said...don't come back out--send some of your classmates out here. It was honestly a game to me and that is how they should play it.

Academic year...not saying that stress and pressure will go away, but the upperclassmen will be be battling their classes. Our PC's will have duties and fall into a routine. Plus they will have the extra pressure of academics. Shining shoes and pressing uniforms is important (do the majority on the weekends...fine tune during the week)....but academics is the most important...academics keeps you in the academy. I would take some demerits or punishment tours for scuffed shoes or dull brass and have B's & A's, over pristine uniform and D's & F's and a ticket back home.

Once the academic year hits, it is like a sequence of hurdles or check points that you go through:

Check Point 1: Get through Indoc
Check Point 2: Acceptance
Check Point 3: Mets Game
Check Point 4: Parents Weekend
Check Point 5: Homecoming
Etc....

Best way to eat an elephant...one bite at a time.

After recognition, it's like you can breath and enjoy where you are for a split second. The cadets who were jerks...some will be great to your DS/DD...others are just jerks. They just want be yelling as much.

Then, they will be on a ship and using all of the skills they learned this year with a crew of professional merchant marines. Some of those folks will be great to them and others would rather that they not be on the ship.

Hope this helps.
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Thank you so much for your advice, and I believe it is very useful, will try to let our PC do the best and push through it
 
airbornedaddy said:
Indoc...it's awful the first few days (shock to the system)...then it becomes routine. The cadet cadre usually loosen up a little...you will have some that simply like being jerks, and they will just have to endure it...keep their bearing...learn from bad leadership. The bad will teach them as much as the good (I'm not going to be that guy). By the end of indoc...they will be more relaxed and less stressed.
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@airbornedaddy Boy a 'shock to the system' is right.. I remember during indoc back at the maritime academy being down on the training ship berth decks and making the mistake of calling a bulkhead a wall.. The next thing I know I've got a couple of indoctrinators about an inch from my noggin screaming at me to 'shore up' that M%#^~F!*&^ bulkhead mister! You want us all to drown down here! So there I am making a puddle of sweat while 'pushing full ahead at a 90' for what seemed like an eternity.. my arms felt like they were going to fall off after they finally let me go. Man that night, laying in my rack, I wanted to quit in the worst way.. I'm sure glad I didn't.. and it did eventually get better..
 
deepdraft1 said:
@airbornedaddy Boy a 'shock to the system' is right.. I remember during indoc back at the maritime academy being down on the training ship berth decks and making the mistake of calling a bulkhead a wall.. The next thing I know I've got a couple of indoctrinators about an inch from my noggin screaming at me to 'shore up' that M%#^~F!*&^ bulkhead mister! You want us all to drown down here! So there I am making a puddle of sweat while 'pushing full ahead at a 90' for what seemed like an eternity.. my arms felt like they were going to fall off after they finally let me go. Man that night, laying in my rack, I wanted to quit in the worst way.. I'm sure glad I didn't.. and it did eventually get better..
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Yeah, that first night. . . in my day in the heat and humidity. . . wondering what the hell I did. . . 44 years ago yesterday. . . .
 
airbornedaddy said:
Part of it...my PC has a crazy last name and he has heard every variation before indoc and new ones during...the truth is if your PC shows outwardly that it bothers him/her it will be worse. If your PC doesn't let it bother them and they see that it doesn't bother them...not saying they will stop...but it won't be as a big of a focus for the cadre. Trust me on this one...the drill sergeants will not care regardless.

I went through this process at USMA and was prior service...so I went through it a few times at different levels. Here is a roadmap of what our PC's are going to go through...assuming that it is similar to USMA:

Indoc...it's awful the first few days (shock to the system)...then it becomes routine. The cadet cadre usually loosen up a little...you will have some that simply like being jerks, and they will just have to endure it...keep their bearing...learn from bad leadership. The bad will teach them as much as the good (I'm not going to be that guy). By the end of indoc...they will be more relaxed and less stressed.

Re-organization...just when they were more relaxed, now the entire student body returns and they are introduced to the upperclassmen that will be in charge of the their company for the entire year. Stress levels will go back up...those two days are not going to be fun. My advice, tell your PC to get out there and take the heat...let them know you are not afraid. I went out in the halls so much and answered questions until I got them right...finally a senior said...don't come back out--send some of your classmates out here. It was honestly a game to me and that is how they should play it.

Academic year...not saying that stress and pressure will go away, but the upperclassmen will be be battling their classes. Our PC's will have duties and fall into a routine. Plus they will have the extra pressure of academics. Shining shoes and pressing uniforms is important (do the majority on the weekends...fine tune during the week)....but academics is the most important...academics keeps you in the academy. I would take some demerits or punishment tours for scuffed shoes or dull brass and have B's & A's, over pristine uniform and D's & F's and a ticket back home.

Once the academic year hits, it is like a sequence of hurdles or check points that you go through:

Check Point 1: Get through Indoc
Check Point 2: Acceptance
Check Point 3: Mets Game
Check Point 4: Parents Weekend
Check Point 5: Homecoming
Etc....

Best way to eat an elephant...one bite at a time.

After recognition, it's like you can breath and enjoy where you are for a split second. The cadets who were jerks...some will be great to your DS/DD...others are just jerks. They just want be yelling as much.

Then, they will be on a ship and using all of the skills they learned this year with a crew of professional merchant marines. Some of those folks will be great to them and others would rather that they not be on the ship.

Hope this helps.
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One of the best and most thorough replies to something I have ever read. I am printing it and mailing to my PC tonight!! Thank u
 
It's a game. The upper classmen had similar experiences. Never take anything personally.
 
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