International Candidates Chance for Accepted

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I am an international candidate from Cambodia and I got 1160 on SAT: 630 on Mathematics, GPA 3.93/4.0. what is my chance to get in US service Academy: West Point, Naval Academy, Coast Guard or Air Force? My CFA result is Pull Up: 8 Baseball throw: 58 ft Sit Up: 90 Push Up: 56 Shuttle Run: 9s and 1 mile running : 9minute and 11s. And this year is the second time for me that i applied.
 
How does that compare to your scores for your prior attempt? Do they show growth? Improvement? What have you been up to during your year?

No need to actually answer, but those are things to cosider when reapplying. I don’t know if there are differing qualifications for international applicants.
 
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International students attend USNA (and presumably other service academies) through treaties with the various parent countries. It is my understanding that the international student is selected to attend by their own government, and does not compete for admission with US candidates. Thus, it is really impossible to compare OP's stats to those of a US candidate.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
International students attend USNA (and presumably other service academies) through treaties with the various parent countries. It is my understanding that the international student is selected to attend by their own government, and does not compete for admission with US candidates. Thus, it is really impossible to compare OP's stats to those of a US candidate.
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thank you sir. here are the some information about international candidates application
- the score requirement, SAT and CFA are the same as US citizens but we have to compete with other international candidates from other countries.
And i just wanna know how is my score compare to US citizens ? i know it is not a really good score but could you please answer it.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
International students attend USNA (and presumably other service academies) through treaties with the various parent countries. It is my understanding that the international student is selected to attend by their own government, and does not compete for admission with US candidates. Thus, it is really impossible to compare OP's stats to those of a US candidate.
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Additionally to the OP:
One would still have to presume that an international students stats would have to be similar academically to those of US appointees in order to be successful at an SA. They are taking the same core classes as the US Cadets, which are all difficult. You can see for yourself by comparing class profiles to your stats that you are low. You were also asked to compare yourself to your previous application. Then ask yourself if have you shown significant improvements over last year. Your international competition is strong, you need to be strong in all areas as well if you hope to gain an appointment.
 
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shock-n-awe said:
Additionally to the OP:
One would still have to presume that an international students stats would have to be similar academically to those of US appointees in order to be successful at an SA. They are taking the same core classes as the US Cadets, which are all difficult.
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Thank you, Sir. but how does my score look like ? the CFA and the SAT ?
 
Tola said:
thank you sir. here are the some information about international candidates application
- the score requirement, SAT and CFA are the same as US citizens but we have to compete with other international candidates from other countries.
And i just wanna know how is my score compare to US citizens ? i know it is not a really good score but could you please answer it.
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SATs are a little low compared to US citizens ... and your mile run is very slow.

In addition to what OldNavyBGO said ... if you are competitive with international candidates - you will want to improve your conditioning before plebe summer.
 
Yes, State Department works these programs as part of negotiated agreements and support plans. USNA’s main concern is whether the applicant can successfully complete academic and athletic requirements, and have the requisite language skills for college courses with minimal difficulty. The home country sends their “best and brightest” too. We have sponsored several international mids, and I had several in my Batt when I was on staff. The international mids add incredible richness, depth and just plain fun to the mix. Many have attended a year at their own service academy, and return in the summer to train with them and maintain class bonds.

For @Tola continue to work hard in school and maintain a positive attitude. None of us here on this unofficial forum can tell you whether you are competitive, especially given your circumstances. Keep us posted, and if you get an appointment, we’ll be sure to send you links to U.S. Navy slang and anything we can think of.

I have fond memories of our Peruvian sponsor daughter sharing hilarious stories of how she took spoken euphemisms and slang quite literally, leading to much confusion, though her academic English skills for coursework and all other skill areas were fine. She was an ace at YP driving, because of her year at the Peruvian Naval Academy. Sayings such as “What is up with you/ what’s up/whassup” confounded her the first few months.
 
A1Janitor said:
SATs are a little low compared to US citizens ... and your mile run is very slow.

In addition to what OldNavyBGO said ... if you are competitive with international candidates - you will want to improve your conditioning before plebe summer.
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Thank you, Sir.
 
Capt MJ said:
Yes, DOS works these programs as part of negotiated agreements and support plans. USNA’s main concern is whether the applicant can successfully complete academic and athletic requirements, and have the requisite language skills for college courses with minimal difficulty. The home country sends their “best and brightest” too. We have sponsored several international mids, and I had several in my Batt when I was on staff. The international mids add incredible richness, depth and just plain fun to the mix. Many have attended a year at their own service academy, and return in the summer to train with them and maintain class bonds.

For @Tola continue to work hard in school and maintain a positive attitude. None of us here on this unofficial forum can tell you whether you are competitive, especially given your circumstances.

Keep us posted, and if you get an appointment, we’ll be sure to send you links to U.S. Navy slang and anything we can think of.

I have fond memories of our Peruvian sponsor daughter sharing hilarious stories of how she took spoken euphemisms and slang quite literally, leading to much confusion, though her academic English skills for coursework and all other skill areas were fine. She was an ace at YP driving, because of her year at the Peruvian Naval Academy. Sayings such as “What is up with you/ what’s up/whassup” confounded her the first few months.
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Over Thanksgiving I asked my son about the international students. He said he is friends with several and loves them.
 
Capt MJ said:
Yes, State Department works these programs as part of negotiated agreements and support plans. USNA’s main concern is whether the applicant can successfully complete academic and athletic requirements, and have the requisite language skills for college courses with minimal difficulty. The home country sends their “best and brightest” too. We have sponsored several international mids, and I had several in my Batt when I was on staff. The international mids add incredible richness, depth and just plain fun to the mix. Many have attended a year at their own service academy, and return in the summer to train with them and maintain class bonds.

For @Tola continue to work hard in school and maintain a positive attitude. None of us here on this unofficial forum can tell you whether you are competitive, especially given your circumstances. Keep us posted, and if you get an appointment, we’ll be sure to send you links to U.S. Navy slang and anything we can think of.

I have fond memories of our Peruvian sponsor daughter sharing hilarious stories of how she took spoken euphemisms and slang quite literally, leading to much confusion, though her academic English skills for coursework and all other skill areas were fine. She was an ace at YP driving, because of her year at the Peruvian Naval Academy. Sayings such as “What is up with you/ what’s up/whassup” confounded her the first few months.
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Thank you for this comment, Sir. I will update my information about my application for all of you.
 
Tola said:
Thank you for this comment, Sir. I will update my information about my application for all of you.
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A good resource for conditioning for U.S. Service Academy applicants is a website by former Navy SEAL Stew Smith, a USNA graduate and now a fitness professional.

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These will also be good practice for English in academic and athletic areas.
 
Many great posts here. This forum can tell you many stories about their INTL Cadet/MIDN experiences. My DS has one INTL MIDN from Taiwan at Annapolis and during his Plebe year this INTL MIDN got an A in English while some of his American MIDNs struggled with English Lit. When his classmates asked him how the *ell did you get an A with broken English? He said, I can’t speak it but I can write it. But then he got many more A’s in his Plebe classes. Also older at 21 as an Youngster at the Naval Academy.

I also have a very good friend from West Point who made 2 Star General this year, representing Korea DoD in the U.S. as the Senior Military Attache. Met him in Plebe year. Bright man from Korea. During his career, he finished Masters and PhD from Universities in the U.S.. Also had 1 year at his home Military Academy before starting at West Point.

Clearly these intl Cadets/MIDNs have been selected by their countries to groom them to be successful in their militaries.

Continue to work on your qualifications. As others said, your stats are below average in some areas. Your run time must be under 8 minutes if you’re a male. If female maybe under 9 minutes. But you do demonstrate great spirit and enthusiasm. And that’s a great attribute to have at the Academies and beyond.
 
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Tola said:
Thank you for this comment, Sir. I will update my information about my application for all of you.
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A1Janitor said:
Ma’am.
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This is a good time for the admonition to all Candidates ...never assume someone's gender throughout the Admissions process ! If I had a dime for each time people responded to CAPT MJ as "sir" here, I'd be able to retire. Cover your bases with "Sir /Ma'am" if you don't know.

Of course my admonition comes with a Sea Story....long ago, my father called Admissions to find out what NAPS was all about (I had received an offer to NAPS, and this was way before the internet and I think the only information I could find was a paragraph in the hardcopy USNA Admissions catalog). In the course of conversation, the young LT had jokingly told Dad that I had made the mistake of addressing a letter to her as "Dear Sir...." my Dad (a former Army First Lt) responded by confirming that an Navy LT had railroad tracks on her collar insignia, and then telling her railroad tracks meant "Sir" in his day (remember, this was before the era of enlightenment ! ). Dad loved to tell that story, and I think the LT thought it was funny too, because she remembered it when I met her during Plebe year.
 
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