IRS question

I would just like to add - my child was issued this memo. I am not going to put her in a position where she would feel like it was "bending the rules" or "cheating". Even for a few dollars.

Again each situation is different.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
2. This memo is based on the tax laws and current rulings of treasury officials. It is, however, informative only and does not necessarily reflect the official position of the Internal Revenue Service or the Department of the Army.

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For USMA parents - the academy sends the letter out each year showing the amount of their support for the plebe. Parents can use that to make their decision. I didn't feel claiming my son as a dependent was worth the amount of stress I would have should I be audited.
 
Question -

If the "support" test has nothing to do with dollar value then why do they also have a "residence" test? That would be redundant.

tpg - your point is well noted however, the "government" is holding the cards.
What the AFA is considering is support by the cadet, i.e. compensation from wages and the loan.
West Point says and I believe there are court rulings that scholarship $$ must be considered when considering support. This is value received to the child that the parent did not provide.

Luigi - your forgot this:
This memo is based on the tax laws and current rulings of treasury officials.

Like I said - do what you want. If you can convince yourself and your cadet or mid that it's okay and you don't have to explain yourself to the Feds then you are good to go.
Luigi - are you planning on keeping a bedroom in your home for your son and claiming him for all 4 years?
 
hey TPG... BHA is not taxed... so why would Room at the Academy ???
 
Luigi - are you planning on keeping a bedroom in your home for your son and claiming him for all 4 years?

Why would you suggest that? :screwy: Are you planning on doing that with your daughter's room?

You can use the US Government (USMA treasury office and the IRS) for your tax advice. I prefer to pay for my tax advice, it has served me well over the years.

I have learned the hard way that "free tax advice" from Government sources is usually worth what you pay for it:

Nothing.
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Actually if you look at the tax code scholarship money is not considered in support, which is why the Academies try to go out of their way in claiming it is not scholarship money. Yet our Congressman specifically referred to the Appointment, both verbally and in written correspondence as a Scholarship.

Scholarships. A scholarship received by a child who is a full-time student is not taken into account in determining whether the child provided more than half of his or her own support. Publication 501
 
According to the IRS publication the Support test is now part of the determination of a qualifying child, even if that child is your own.

About the scholarship - Flieger - you are right. The academy education is NOT considered a "scholarship" by the IRS. This is the rationale in adding it to the "support" figure. It is added into the "benefits" that you receive as a part of your "employment".
See Number 7 in the letter from USMA:
The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.

Even benefits received count as "support" even if they are not taxed.

In any case - my daughter reported on June 30th. Hence she only lived with me for 180 days, less than half the year. At USMA R-Day is June 29th.
 
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In any case - my daughter reported on June 30th. Hence she only lived with me for 180 days, less than half the year. At USMA R-Day is June 29th.

Did she come home for Thanksgiving and/or Christmas?

The "6 months of residency" do not have to be consecutive. :wink:

AGAIN! - Consult a tax advisor (attorney or professional accountant) before making any decisions about dependent claims if you are unsure. Pay for good advice from someone who will stand behind you and represent your interests if the claim is questioned.
 
Per IRS:
A qualifying child is your son or daughter, stepchild, foster child, brother, sister, stepbrother, stepsister, or a descendent of any of them (for example your grandchildren, neice or nephew)

AND
1. Under age 19 at the end of 2009
OR
2. Under age 24 at the end of 2009 and a student.
OR
3. Any age and totally disabled.
AND
4. Did not provide half of HIS OR HER OWN support for 2009.
AND
5. Who lived with you for more than half of 2009.

As is usual with IRS regulations, this is all subject to interpretation. If your Plebe files an individual Tax Return they will be required to report income and deductions as declared on their W-2 (with the advantage of receiving a current stimulus check along with their refund). Do the taxes both ways and see how it works out. Housing and Board will not be included as Income on their W-2. As per "4" did the Plebe "provide over half of HIS OR HER OWN support for 2009"?? The PLEBE PROVIDED no support and did not individually pay for room and board. Room and Board was made available as a "condition of employment" read "Oath of Office" which would not IMHO be taxable. Unlike a vehicle provided by an employer, charges for room and board were neither deducted from their wages nor added to their total taxable compensation on their W-2.

CONSULT A TAX PROFESSIONAL
3/c year, no way you can claim them. "you pays your money and you takes your chances":confused:
 
The PLEBE PROVIDED no support and did not individually pay for room and board. Room and Board was made available as a "condition of employment" read "Oath of Office" which would not IMHO be taxable. Unlike a vehicle provided by an employer, charges for room and board were neither deducted from their wages nor added to their total taxable compensation on their W-2.

this is the crux of the dilemma. it matters not whether or not the support was taxable only that there was support.
The cadet was provided with room and board as a condition of their employment so they are supporting themselves.

If your child enlisted - kept his home address as home of record and was in basic training then deployed - he would not pay for room and board but would have provided for his own support by virtue of his job as a private.

You have lost me on:
3/c year, no way you can claim them

Keep in mind also - if your cadet/mid claims themselves they are eligible for a stimulus benefit. If you claim them you will not get a stimulus benefit for them, it will be lost to all parties.
 
Sorry:

3/c Year as a Youngster they do not meet any qualifications for Dependent as they have been there the full year with a full year compensation.
 
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They are provided with Room and Board. They are not providing it for themselves through payments, deductions or taxable compensation. That is why the Tax code is such a B****. It is open to so many interpretations. It states that they must provide over half of their own support to disqualify. You can interperet that the Government provided "support" as an inducement to enlistment which is not taxable in the year provided but disqualifies them as a dependent. I don't disagree with your interpretation I am just saying there are so many go with a Professional you trust.
 
JAM:

If your child (age 18) enlisted as of July XX, XXXX how would you treat the XXXX Tax Year? The Government obviously paid a lot of money for your child's transportation to and training at Lackland, Great Lakes, Paris Island or any and other sundry H***'s on earth including (but not restricted to) clothing, food, room and up close and personal professional instruction. Did the Government provide SUPPORT? Do you count transportation to Basic Training, meals at basic training, room and board in the barracks, cost of ammunition expended to qualify, mandatory laundry service, Government provided clothing (Mids Pay for Theirs but not yet Officers and I don't think deductable), transportation to Tech School, Tech school supplies including books, study material, pencils, pens and Tech School Room & Board as a qualification for Support? All provided but IMO not included as support provided by the Child or the Government. All open to opinion and interpretation:biggrin:
 
My head hurts as I follow this thread. Sympathies to all who wrestle with this, trying to do the right thing as honest taxpayers and get a comprehensible grip on the defining issues.:eek:
 
While there have been updates (a few million) to the Tax Code since 1954, the results are still the same:

Rev. Rul. 55-347; 1955-1 C.B. 21;
1955 IRB LEXIS 327, *


Revenue Ruling 55-347

Rev. Rul. 55-347; 1955-1 C.B. 21; 1955 IRB LEXIS 327

January 1955

[*1]

SUBJECT MATTER: SECTION 152.-DEPENDENT DEFINED

TEXT:

An appointment to the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy or the United States Coast Guard Academy does not constitute a scholarship award within the meaning of section 152 (d) (2) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954. In the absence of evidence establishing that a taxpayer furnished more than half of the support of a cadet or midshipman and that the other requirements of section 151 (a) of the Code are met, an exemption for a dependent is not allowable.

Advice has been requested whether an appointment to the United States Military Academy constitutes a scholarship award not to be considered in the determination of the amount of support furnished a dependent.

The taxpayer's son in the instant case is a cadet in the United States Military Academy. He receives monthly pay and allowances, and pays for his meals, uniforms, text books, etc. Taxes are withheld at the source from his wages. During vacations and holidays the son resides with the taxpayer.

Section 152 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 provides in part as follows:



(d) SPECIAL SUPPORT TEST IN CASE OF STUDENTS.-For purposes of subsection [*2] (a), in the case of any individual who is-



* * *

(2) a student (within the meaning of section 151 (e) (4)), amounts received as scholarships for study at an educational institution (as defined in section 151 (e) (4)) shall not be taken into account in determining whether such individual received more than half of his support from the taxpayer.


A scholarship is generally considered as an allowance to a student at an educational institution to aid him in pursuing his studies. Such a student does not receive wages nor is he usually obligated to perform any services for the institution subsequent to graduation. The opposite is true with respect to a cadet in the Military Academy. He is considered as being in the "Regular Army" and receives pay and allowances for the performance of services as a cadet, from which income tax is withheld. The Army Organization Act of 1950, 64 Stat. 263, at 268, 10 U. S. C. 1c (b). An obligation exists on the part of a cadet by reason of the articles of agreement signed by him upon entrance into the Academy to complete the course of training and to accept a commission in the Regular Army upon graduation. Act of June 30, 1950, Public Law 586, 81st Congress, 64 Stat. [*3] 304, 10 U. S. C. 1092c.

The rules governing the appointment of cadets, including the pay and allowances, apply equally to midshipmen at the United States Naval Academy, cadets at the United States Coast Guard Academy and cadets at the United States Air Force Academy. See Career Compensation Act of 1949, 63 Stat. 802, at 828, as amended 37 U. S. C. 308; Act of August 4, 1949, Public Law 207, 81st Congress, 63 Stat. 495, at 508, 14 U. S. C. 182; Air Force Academy Act, 68 Stat. 47, 10 U. S. C. 1854.

Accordingly, it is held that an appointment to the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy does not constitute a scholarship award within the meaning of section 152 (d) (2) of the Code. Therefore, in the absence of evidence establishing that the taxpayer furnished more than half of the support of a cadet or midshipman and that the other requirements of section 151 (e) of the Code are met, an exemption for a dependent is not allowable.
 
easier on me... my daughter doesnt report until end of July....
that is way over 6 months.... :smile:
 
Ahhh...I see! J, you're just like Scarlet: You "can't think about this today! (You'll) just think about this... tomorrow! (ie, next year!)":yllol:
 
^^^ Oh No not here too!

Try working for an organization where it is GWTW 24/7 and people call wanting to know where Tara is, if we have any actual footage of the Civil War and if not can they get clips form GWTW. Oh how we love Margaret Mitchell.
 
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