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Hey guys, I recently received an appointment to USAFA and USNA, I was trying to weigh my post-graduation careers at both. I know USAFA has the "fly a desk or fly a jet" stereotype, but both sides interest me greatly. Could anyone provide insight as to how the process goes for job selection at USAFA? I'm interested in Medicine, Aviation, and Cyberwarfare and I know USAFA has excellent facilities for all three.

Any input/insight is greatly appreciated. I hope all is well with everyone hearing back from academies and seminars.

Thanks.
 
I didn’t go to the Academy but I serve with several people who did. One of them majored in Biology and wanted to go into the medical field after graduation but was told that it was pretty much impossible straight out of the Academy. Now she’ll have to apply to retrain and go to to PA school with the Air Force.
 
I didn’t go to the Academy but I serve with several people who did. One of them majored in Biology and wanted to go into the medical field after graduation but was told that it was pretty much impossible straight out of the Academy. Now she’ll have to apply to retrain and go to to PA school with the Air Force.
That is not accurate, the med path is the same as the national average for public universities, about 20% annually from each class qualify for the med path.
 
That is not accurate, the med path is the same as the national average for public universities, about 20% annually from each class qualify for the med path.

Over the past several years, there have been 12 - 18 USAFA grads go directly to medical school. According to my DD, I believe there were/are 14 - 15 applying from this graduating class with that many slots available. The key is just ensuring you qualify academically, with good MCAT scores, job shadowing, etc. Those accepted have already been notified for the class of 2020.

So, the percentage is closer to 2% of the graduating class, not 20%.
 
That is not accurate, the med path is the same as the national average for public universities, about 20% annually from each class qualify for the med path.

I think @Capri120 has better info. Please be careful what you put out there on a public forum for people. 20% of a graduating class would be 200+ graduates. This is just NOT correct!!! The 2% number is more correct and in line. Not many grads get direct selected for Medical, Law, Grad School, etc., UNTIL they serve at least one "tour" usually two, pass the entry exam, are accepted at a college, and are selected for the program by the service.
 
I think @Capri120 has better info. Please be careful what you put out there on a public forum for people. 20% of a graduating class would be 200+ graduates. This is just NOT correct!!! The 2% number is more correct and in line. Not many grads get direct selected for Medical, Law, Grad School, etc., UNTIL they serve at least one "tour" usually two, pass the entry exam, are accepted at a college, and are selected for the program by the service.

That is more consistent with what my daughter was told by an ALO when asked about USAFA for potential applicants that wanted pre-med with hopes of medical school. That ALO mentioned that they have seen some graduating classes not use all of their medical spots and some use all and not get the selection... so, just depends on how many are in the same class. The ALO also indicated that if you are interested in medical school - make sure you are top of class for better opportunity of getting the selection IF one is available...
 
Grandson was in your situation with appointments to both. Didn't decide until shortly before the May 1 deadline when he accepted the USAFA appointment. His interests were also very similar to yours and he is now a bio-chemistry major, doing some physician shadowing this spring, and looking toward medical school.

Roughly half of the class will look to fly and there are now direct commissions into the Space Force, some 60+ for this year's class I believe. With good grades, medical school is a very viable option. Grandson has performed well and his advisor tells him that assuming he scores well on a the MCAT, he will very likely be able to go to med school direct from USAFA.

This is his 2nd year and asking him whether he has any regrets on turning down the USNA appointment--which would have been my choice--he tells me absolutely not; that he is where he should be.

You have a wonderful opportunity either way. Very best to you going forward.
 
Grandson was in your situation with appointments to both. Didn't decide until shortly before the May 1 deadline when he accepted the USAFA appointment. His interests were also very similar to yours and he is now a bio-chemistry major, doing some physician shadowing this spring, and looking toward medical school.

Roughly half of the class will look to fly and there are now direct commissions into the Space Force, some 60+ for this year's class I believe. With good grades, medical school is a very viable option. Grandson has performed well and his advisor tells him that assuming he scores well on a the MCAT, he will very likely be able to go to med school direct from USAFA.

This is his 2nd year and asking him whether he has any regrets on turning down the USNA appointment--which would have been my choice--he tells me absolutely not; that he is where he should be.

You have a wonderful opportunity either way. Very best to you going forward.

Excellent choice in major -- DD's major! Not an easy one by any stretch of the imagination.
Best of luck to your grandson.
 
I'm interested in Medicine, Aviation, and Cyberwarfare and I know USAFA has excellent facilities for all three.
Medicine - I have multiple classmates who went on to become surgeons. It happens, but is generally reserved for the top members of the class.
Aviation - We have historically had more pilot slots than medically qualified students. Given the current pilot shortage, I have to think this is still true. In general - if you are medically qualified, you have a slot. If you are medically qualified and do not choose aviation, you may have to speak with a general officer about why you don't want to fly.
Cyber - I'm was a USAF Communications officer, but I don't think I am biased when I say you should compare the programs between schools. Each branch has a place for cyber operations, but which prepares you to be the most successful? I can only base my opinion on objective facts, and that would be the cyber competitions that each SA competes in with other colleges and professionals. USAFA wins each time - hands down - unsure how anyone can question that data point. Here are the most two recent wins and at least 1 of the 2 was head-to-head.



Here is the net summary - if you want to be a doctor, each service academy will have a roughly even percentage of graduates - this is a push. If you want to fly, USAFA will have more slots than any other SA. It is easier to go USMMA and fly Navy than it is to fly out of USNA. If you want to be in cyber, USAFA is the place to train. Period. Dot.
 
I think @Capri120 has better info. Please be careful what you put out there on a public forum for people. 20% of a graduating class would be 200+ graduates. This is just NOT correct!!! The 2% number is more correct and in line. Not many grads get direct selected for Medical, Law, Grad School, etc., UNTIL they serve at least one "tour" usually two, pass the entry exam, are accepted at a college, and are selected for the program by the service.


My statement was accurate but not specific, of course 20% of the class is not going to flow in the the med path, 20% of those who are attempting post graduate med school is reflective of the national average and on par with USAFA grads.
 
Nothwithstanding what ringczar23 claims, IMO, I WOULD NOT assume you will get any graduate school directly upon Commissioning (from ANY Academy). Is it possible, YES, but probable, NO. It is in the history of graduates that 95% or better do NOT get graduate school directly upon Commissioning. If you are that good to finish in the top 3% of your class there is a chance, but it is not a guaranteed choice, it depends on the "needs of the service" and varies by year. Review the posts on this forum of "billet, duty, or branch" assignments, and you will see that less than 50 (5%) of graduates get graduate school directly from an academy.

Can you do it, ABSOLUTELY! But don't plan on a direct path without having to serve in a "operational" type assignment prior to getting a graduate school opportunity. A far greater percentage of officers get grad school (law, medical, Masters) after getting experience, and if you get it, be prepared to give the service additional obligated service. Most JAG's and MD's owe 10-12 years obligated service upon entering their chose field. This is just the facts.

While I am not real familiar with USAFA, Cyber is BIG and growing....Aviation is also a big percentage of graduates (because so many leave after their obligated service), but medical is not growing, but based upon yearly needs, A let of "Reserve" medical Officers serve extended active duty at the "needs of the service" so that medical slots are not critical, but still needed. IMHO, a better shot at grad school right now is Cyber...it is the "NOW" thing, and the services are ramping up to try and fill needed positions and future needs.
 
1. If you want to fly, USAFA will have more slots than any other SA.
2. It is easier to go USMMA and fly Navy than it is to fly out of USNA.
1. Very very few USNA grads who WANT aviation get turned away. Like SWO, there is really not a limited number of spots available. If you want to look at numbers, you need to look at the numbers for Navy Pilot, Naval Flight Officer, Marine Corps Pilot, Marine Corps NFO and Surface with Air Option. The combined number is quite large.

2. Just-Not-True
Again, at USNA you choose aviation and pretty much get aviation.
 
at USNA you choose aviation and pretty much get aviation.
First, I am assuming the candidate wants to be a pilot and not a nav or wso. Admittedly, we do not see published stats that suggest the frequency students get their first pick of career selection. You may have more updated stats and insight into the ratio of students seeking aviation out of USNA. If the typical graduating class for each school has 1000 students, you are twice as likely to get a pilot slot out of USAFA than USNA. If you are suggesting that fewer USNA students seek the aviation path, ok, but these numbers are quite telling in term of a candidate's opportunity at that career field in context to other roles in the service branch when entering from a SA.

USNA Pilot slots 237 for class of 2014 (dated, and there may be newer references)

USAFA Pilot slots 530+ for class of 2019
 
My statement was accurate but not specific, of course 20% of the class is not going to flow in the the med path, 20% of those who are attempting post graduate med school is reflective of the national average and on par with USAFA grads.
What exactly Are you saying, and what data do you base this on?

Generally, 1-2% of USAFA grads will be offered a med school scholarship upon graduation. So, I would say, USAFA is NOT the ideal place to go, if you want to become a doctor. It's possible, but unlikely/very difficult. There are other schools that offer a greater probability, if that is your ultimate goal.
 
Hey guys, I recently received an appointment to USAFA and USNA, I was trying to weigh my post-graduation careers at both. I know USAFA has the "fly a desk or fly a jet" stereotype, but both sides interest me greatly. Could anyone provide insight as to how the process goes for job selection at USAFA? I'm interested in Medicine, Aviation, and Cyberwarfare and I know USAFA has excellent facilities for all three.

Any input/insight is greatly appreciated. I hope all is well with everyone hearing back from academies and seminars.

Thanks.
Congratulations on your appointment. To get right to the point, if you want to be a doctor, my advice is to go somewhere else for undergraduate and then apply for HPSP or to the Uniformed Services University for medical school. Yes, it is possible to go directly from the Academy to medical school. My DD is a senior and she has been accepted and will start medical school in the Fall, but if you asked her she would strongly suggest you take another route. The path is much harder in that you are not just at college studying and keeping your grades up. Your time is divided between military duties, studying and by the time you throw in shadow hours, volunteer work, research or any other endeavors needed to shine as a medical school applicant, you may fall short. There are just not enough hours in the day.

Think about it, most pre-med students at any other college have more time for studying, volunteering, shadowing etc. They also have a more tailored curriculum. At the Academy, your core curriculum is set for you and includes many Engineering courses. If you pick a science major like Biology or Chemistry you will be better off because you still have to do the required pre-medical courses, many of which are chemistry and biology related. Pick any other major and you will have double the work load. If you think you will do all your shadowing in the summer, think again. As an Academy cadet, you get 3 weeks of leave during the summer, the other 6 weeks you will either be doing OPS, ESET, CSLIP, cadre for basics or a myriad of other assignments. You can maybe squeak in some shadow hours somewhere, but makes it very hard to get enough to be competitive with non-Academy grads. The first 2 years you will not have a car, so you will have to borrow a car or get your shadowing done at the clinic on base. It can be done, but you will be limited. During the time you need to ramp up studying for your MCAT, on top of everything else you are doing, you will have more responsibilities in your squadron or the wing. You need those jobs to set yourself apart from your competition. It all matters. And the MCAT, if you want to do well, takes many hours of studying.

If you want to go to the Academy then to medical school, it is possible. But you need to go with your eyes wide open because it will not be an easy task. I am not saying you are looking for easy, because pre-med is not easy in any school. But, without a doubt, getting there from the Academy is even more difficult and you must take that into consideration. There were about 150 cadets that started out contemplating pre-med at the beginning of my DD class in 2016. There are 17 left standing at last count. Some dropped due to lack of interest or they changed their minds. Many of them dropped and picked a different course because it is very hard to maintain the GPA you need and the ability and time to fulfill all the other qualifications necessary to be a competitive candidate for medical school while attending a military academy.

One last note, the Naval Academy does not offer as many medical school slots as the Air Force does, so that should be a factor you consider as well.

Good luck, and again, congratulations on your appointment. It is no small feat.
 
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