JROTC

clarksonarmy said:
Cadet Command Reg 145-1...I think it might be in there, or in AR 145-1.
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AR 145-1: "Four-year Senior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps Program
Consists of the on-campus basic course (MS I and MS II) or one of the following as a substitute for the basic course:
prior service, 3 years of JROTC, on-campus summer compression, or basic training as a member of the reserve
components. The basic course or its equivalent is then followed by the on-campus advanced course."
 
Cravius

What exactly is your point?

Reg, being right that you can do it?

Or acceptance by ROTC cadets?

You may be 100% correct that by reg you are correct the unit must follow that direction for the cadet who jumps to MSII over MSI.

However, it doesn't mean that the cadet will be respected in the cadre AND the CC can give a lower rec for them compared to the cadet that was never b JROTC or jumped.

OML is your goal, not jumping MS.


You did JROTC, I get that. However, many of the ROTC scholarship candidates did not take JROTC for one reason...it was not weighted.

The sword cuts both ways.

You took JROTC to show dedication to the military. They took AP to illustrate academics.

The military now needs to make a decision.
 
Cravius

What exactly is your point?

Reg, being right that you can do it?

Or acceptance by ROTC cadets?

You may be 100% correct that by reg you are correct the unit must follow that direction for the cadet who jumps to MSII over MSI.

However, it doesn't mean that the cadet will be respected in the cadre AND the CC can give a lower rec for them compared to the cadet that was never b JROTC or jumped.

OML is your goal, not jumping MS.


You did JROTC, I get that. However, many of the ROTC scholarship candidates did not take JROTC for one reason...it was not weighted.

The sword cuts both ways.

You took JROTC to show dedication to the military. They took AP to illustrate academics.

The military now needs to make a decision.
 
Pima what exactly is your point? By posting twice are you trying to emphasize your opinion? I was merely stating the reg after someone asked and clarkson didn't seem sure which of the two reg's it was. I never said I wanted to skip, I just asked if the opportunity existed. I am in JROTC and I didn't list it on my application, I realize it is no equivalent of the basic course. Your opinion on how much people will respect me in ROTC is neither helpful nor necessary.
 
cravius said:
Pima what exactly is your point? By posting twice are you trying to emphasize your opinion? I was merely stating the reg after someone asked and clarkson didn't seem sure which of the two reg's it was. I never said I wanted to skip, I just asked if the opportunity existed. I am in JROTC and I didn't list it on my application, I realize it is no equivalent of the basic course. Your opinion on how much people will respect me in ROTC is neither helpful nor necessary.
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Not quite sure why you wouldn't list JROTC on you application, there is a specific box to check for it. In the competitive climate for scholarships this year applicants need all the help they can.

As far as the respect issue, There are a lot of cadets that start AROTC their junior year, some are transfers from Junior colleges, some are recruited while in college, a lot to these cadets attend a summer LCT program before their junior year starts, this is designed to catch them up. As far as how the existing cadets accept them to the program depends a lot on the individual. One of the cadets that went this route has little or no respect from the other cadets, however that lack of respect has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he skipped the first 2 years. Others who have done this fit right in with no problem, like I said it depends on the individual.

I would agree that JROTC is no substitute for the LTC training and skipping the first 2 years without LTC and only JROTC will raise a few eyebrows from the other cadets. Don't under estimate the respect factor, it is more important then you might think.

You are right, the regs are in place for this situation and thank you for posting them, good info for anyone looking. I think most battalion PMS's would advise you to do all 4 years, it is good to know all your options.
 
Cravius the system was slow for my computer, I hit post twice and left the site. I didn't realize until now it was a duplicate. There was no underlying meaning. If I wanted to emphasize any point I know how to bold, I do not need to duplicate a post to emphasize my position.

You have the right to say to me my opinion is unwarranted in your opinion. I respect that decision. However, do not go on a forum where people post opinions and state to those who do not agree with your position:
cravius said:
Your opinion on how much people will respect me in ROTC is neither helpful nor necessary.
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My opinion was stated your goal should not be jumping MSI, your goal should be branching and commissioning. I am sorry if my opinion that you interpreted in my post was the respect ROTC will have for you.

I never said they won't respect you in ROTC. You inferred that. I stated you will live in a world that is hard to create relationships as a freshman. You will not be in MSI with freshmen, you will be in MSII with sophomores that were freshmen in the unit, while you will be a freshman.

Don't read in between the lines for something that was never there.

PS I agree with Jcleppe. In this competitive environment why on earth would you not place that on your application? It is at the very least an EC, and if you have a JROTC leadership position it is also an edge. To not place it on your application makes no logical sense. Flame me for that comment, but I think most posters will agree with me. You are in JROTC for 4 yrs and you don't place it on the EC, why?
 
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I stand corrected then. I had no clue 3 years of JROTC could substitute for 2 years of ROTC. Are they teaching battle drills, land nav, laws of war, principles of war and METL in JROTC now? We touched at least slightly on all of that in my first two years...From what I have seen around here the bulk of JROTC training revolves around citizenship, D&C, and rank structure...but hey if its CC reg I won't argue about it.

Advice: I guess you can skip, but don't.
 
Aglahad said:
I stand corrected then. I had no clue 3 years of JROTC could substitute for 2 years of ROTC. Are they teaching battle drills, land nav, laws of war, principles of war and METL in JROTC now? We touched at least slightly on all of that in my first two years...From what I have seen around here the bulk of JROTC training revolves around citizenship, D&C, and rank structure...but hey if its CC reg I won't argue about it.

Advice: I guess you can skip, but don't.
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Unless it's changed in the past 2 years, JROTC is not legally allowed to teach tactics at all (Instructors can't even be present if cadets were to all gather and play paintball together). I didn't realize JROTC could substitute MS1&2 year. It really would only be useful in skipping the first semester of MS1 year. Aglahad's advice on skipping is spot on. :thumb:
 
Crav,

Thanks for looking up the reg. Everyone take a deep breath. First off, the tactics and and other stuff you learn in the basic course is not something that can't be picked up by spending a couple hours reading the text book, or going to 4 weeks of camp over the summer (LTC). I don't think anyone is advocating that someone skip if they can, but again, if a sophomore comes to me and wants to get into Army ROTC, we can get her/him caught up fairly easily and JROTC can help. They will still have some basic leadership experience, they will still know the Army Values, still know how to march (probably better than most of the progression cadets). One or two battle drill labs and a little help from their friends and they'll be right where they need to be. Army ROTC is not rocket science.
 
clarksonarmy said:
Crav,

Thanks for looking up the reg. Everyone take a deep breath. First off, the tactics and and other stuff you learn in the basic course is not something that can't be picked up by spending a couple hours reading the text book, or going to 4 weeks of camp over the summer (LTC). I don't think anyone is advocating that someone skip if they can, but again, if a sophomore comes to me and wants to get into Army ROTC, we can get her/him caught up fairly easily and JROTC can help. They will still have some basic leadership experience, they will still know the Army Values, still know how to march (probably better than most of the progression cadets). One or two battle drill labs and a little help from their friends and they'll be right where they need to be. Army ROTC is not rocket science.
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Haha I laughed at the rocket science part...all too true. I have even joked that my 18 year old brother who is not in ROTC could pass LDAC.....
 
What's the condition for people who join ROTC their sophomore year but has two years in JROTC?
 
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