Just need some feedback

[Navy Seal Mom]

Ok my son is DodMERB qualified, passed CFA and has a nomination from Marine Corp JROTC. He is in the top 15% of class 50 out of 320 and has a 3.8GPA and extensive involvement in Marine Corp JROTC. I have searched and searched for any kind of stats on appointments when nomination source is ROTC. Any knowledge concerning nomination being ROTC and not MOC??

 

[Luigi59]

By law (TITLE 10 > Subtitle C > PART III > CHAPTER 603 > § 6954 > SECTION b > PARAGRAPH 4) the Secretary of the Navy can appoint up to 20 who are nominated via JROTC.

Very small number.

 

[buff81]

ROTC noms (JROTC and SROTC) are very competitive. Only 20 ROTC slots are available a year and almost always, those slots go to those with LOAs.
Those who have this nomination and don't get one of the 20 slots will go on the NWL.

(Cross posted with Luigi59)

 

[Luigi59]

Those who have this nomination and don't get one of the 20 slots will go on the NWL.

Are you sure?

I thought the NWL was only for those who had "competitive" nominations (those from a Senator or Representative)?

(5) 150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 4343 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in clauses (3) and (4) of subsection (a).

Here are clauses 3 & 4 of subsection a:

(3) Ten from each State, five of whom are nominated by each Senator from that State.

(4) Five nominated by each Representative in Congress.

 

[buff81]

Luigi59-
The candidate is applying to WP. I'm don't really want to pull up both Sections of Title X that pertain to USMA and USNA and compare but the wording you posted for USNA sounds the same as for USMA.

OK - This is getting into PhD level nom stuff.

For WP-
True - WP MUST admit 150 off the NWL ( by WCS) with Congressional type nominations. The reality is that most of these will be those with LOAs.

The rest of the story is that in order to fill the class, WP can select cadets from the NWL with non Congressional noms as long as they maintain a ratio of 3:1 of Congressional noms to Service connected noms. AND they can do this without regard to the WCS.

So - the 150 must be Congressional noms but the rest of the class can come from both Congressional and Service Connected non-vacancy winners.

If you want - I will pull up Title X and find this for you and post later.

 

[Luigi59]

The rest of the story is that in order to fill the class, WP can select cadets from the NWL with non Congressional noms as long as they maintain a ratio of 3:1 of Congressional noms to Service connected noms. AND they can do this without regard to the WCS.

So - the 150 must be Congressional noms but the rest of the class can come from both Congressional and Service Connected non-vacancy winners.

Got it, thanks. I was unsure if a JROTC or ROTC nomination is considered "competitive" because some other types (i.e. Presidential) are not.

However, I think your quoted section only takes effect if the Corps is not at full strength.

If it is determined that, upon the admission of a new class to the Academy, the number of cadets at the Academy will be below the authorized number, the Secretary of the Army may fill the vacancies by nominating additional cadets from qualified candidates designated as alternates and from other qualified candidates who competed for nomination and are recommended and found qualified by the Academic Board. At least three-fourths of those nominated under this section shall be selected from qualified alternates nominated by the persons named in clauses (2) through (8) of section 4342 (a) of this title, and the remainder from qualified candidates holding competitive nominations under any other provision of law.

Found the relevant section I believe applies:

(e) If the annual quota of cadets under subsection (b)(1), (2), (3) is not filled, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating for appointment other candidates from any of these sources who were found best qualified on examination for admission and not otherwise nominated.

 

[Saluki]

question>

What is the difference between qualified, competitive, and admissible on the NWL? Sorry if this is off the topic. My DD was told by FFR that she is qualified on the NWL but gave her very small chance of admission because she is only "qualified" DD is very distressed.

Thanks for any assistance.

 

[kinnem]

What is the difference between qualified, competitive, and admissible on the NWL? Sorry if this is off the topic. My DD was told by FFR that she is qualified on the NWL but gave her very small chance of admission because she is only "qualified" DD is very distressed.

Thanks for any assistance.

I think I can answer this.

In order to receive an appointment to an Academy one must have a nomination. Competitive vs non-Competitive refers to how one gets this nomination. For example, all Congressional, Senatorial, and VP nominations are competitive. Many people will apply to get that nomination. Few will be chosen. The Presidential and 'Children of Medal of Honor Awardees' are non-competitive. You are either eligible to receive that nomination or you are not. If you are eligible you get a nomination. So there can be, in theory, an "unlimited" number of Presidential nominations any given year.

Qualified refers to the process of evaluating candidates. Three areas are examined: academics, fitness, and medical. You must be qualified in all 3 areas to be qualified (sometimes referred to as 3Q).

Admissable means you are qualified and have a nomination. That is, you are eligible to receive an appointment. This is sometimes mentioned as 3Q + nom. By implication, someone can be qualified academically but not physically qualified even though they have a nomination, and therefore they would not be admissable.

BTW, if you've made it to the NWL then you are admissable.

Hope this helps.

 

[BigNick]

buff81 you need to respond to this as I may not have the latest information.
Last year I was told by an Admissions officer that those terms are a word evaluation of the people on the NWL by WP. Remember that ALL of the people on the NWL are fully qualified (3Q) and have appointments.
"Admissable" means that the candidate is VERY competitive and will probably be given an offer. WP wants to find a way to get these top people to WP. These include the LOA winners but other top people are also considered admissable.
"Competitive" means that the candidate has a good record but may or may not make the cut. Some of these people will make the cut and others will not (depends on class size, number of people who decline their offer etc)
"Qualified" is their way of saying that you have met the minimum qualifications but are on the lower third of the NWL and will probably not be given an offer unless you can improve your standing on the list

 

[Saluki]

Thanks for clearing that up. I was just viewing another thread that discussed WCS, maybe that is what the FFR was referring too. According to DD she understood from FFR there is different levels of candidates on NWL. On the other hand I believe DD only heard slim chance of receiving an appointment then her ability to process what was being said went to nil.

 

[MemberLG]

I have a different opinion

"Qualified" or "Disqualifed" is the final status, whereas "Admissable," "Competitive," and "Risk" are potential.

I have seen "Admissable" or "Competitive" candidates get disqualified for medical or CFA.