Leaving USMA

To everyone who has responded: I appreciate your input, but my original question was about the terms of the discharge, not on my decision to leave. I have my own reasons for leaving that in no way relate to the struggles of being a plebe or USMA life in general.
You have access to free legal advice as a USMA Cadet. Talk to your TAC about the terms of the discharge and if you are not comfortable with the answer or if you are not ready to let your chain of command know of your plans, go to the JAG office at USMA and discuss it with them.

While you will have to inform your cadet chain of command of your decision to leave, remember that they are cadets. They do not have the knowledge or experience to give an accurate answer about types of discharges. Your TAC is a much more reliable source of information.

However, the point is somewhat moot. You will get whatever type of discharge they give to plebes separating during the first semester. But rest assured that if you are in good standing, there will be no stigma attached to your discharge.
 
As far as us trying to get you to stay....we are older and have seen more of life. We don't just answer questions here, we offer life/adulting advice. I make no apologies for trying to get you to look beyond what is immediately in front of you, nor (I suspect) do the others who chimed in. All the best to you.
 
As far as us trying to get you to stay....we are older and have seen more of life. We don't just answer questions here, we offer life/adulting advice. I make no apologies for trying to get you to look beyond what is immediately in front of you, nor (I suspect) do the others who chimed in. All the best to you.
Absolutely true. Nothing but good intentions.
 
So sorry that your personal reasons are set in stone and that you have made the final decision to leave. We are mostly parents on this forum and wish you the best. I hope that you are not giving up on a dream.
 
I am currently a plebe at USMA leaving the academy for personal reasons. I am in good standing as a cadet and am leaving on my own accord, with no misconduct whatsoever. What kind of discharge will I receive from the Army? I read somewhere that it could be a General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions, but doesn't that have a stigma attached to it? If that's the case, why would they give a cadet in good standing a discharge that is typically warranted for bad behavior rather than an Honorable Discharge?

Any input would be appreciated.

I graduated in 1986. I am fairly certain you will simply be separated from the Academy without any type of discharge. It is simply an administrative discharge before the 2 and 5 threshold. My plebe room mate left after his first year. I stay in touch with him and he has said for 30 plus year it was the worst decision he ever made. You have another year of the best FREE education in the world before you make this decision. Yearling year is considerably more enjoyable than Plebe year.
 
I graduated in 1986. I am fairly certain you will simply be separated from the Academy without any type of discharge. It is simply an administrative discharge before the 2 and 5 threshold. My plebe room mate left after his first year. I stay in touch with him and he has said for 30 plus year it was the worst decision he ever made. You have another year of the best FREE education in the world before you make this decision. Yearling year is considerably more enjoyable than Plebe year.

I appreciate what you're saying -- to give it more time. However, my decision has nothing to do with the struggles of being a plebe, and I truly hope that everyone giving me guidance understands this. It is solely based on the fact that my long-term career goals do not align with the Army or West Point and that I am passionate in a field of study that the Academy simply does not offer.
 
I graduated in 1986. I am fairly certain you will simply be separated from the Academy without any type of discharge. It is simply an administrative discharge before the 2 and 5 threshold. My plebe room mate left after his first year. I stay in touch with him and he has said for 30 plus year it was the worst decision he ever made. You have another year of the best FREE education in the world before you make this decision. Yearling year is considerably more enjoyable than Plebe year.

I appreciate what you're saying -- to give it more time. However, my decision has nothing to do with the struggles of being a plebe, and I truly hope that everyone giving me guidance understands this. It is solely based on the fact that my long-term career goals do not align with the Army or West Point and that I am passionate in a field of study that the Academy simply does not offer.

Sounds like you should be spending time out-processing the Academy and completing applications to the institution of your choice instead of chatting with total strangers on an internet message board. Best of luck to you.
 
This is all probably very painful for parents and candidates that ultimately received the BFE, who have wanted nothing more their whole lives than to attend an academy. While I do not subscribe to the “I would have gotten in if xxx didn’t accept” line of thinking, this does make a good point: one REALLY needs to do a LOT of soul searching, and make sure the reasons for attending are pure.

I understand figuring out that the military lifestyle isn’t ones cup of tea. And after trying it out, realizing this. That’s kind of hard to know without experiencing it.

Alignment with what you ultimately want to do, and attending a place that ‘doesn’t offer that my field of study’ is something that one needs to seriously consider before applying. It’s pretty black and white what each academy offers as far as careers. Tons of info on here as well.

Good luck. And to future candidates, this is a good example of making sure that your reasons for applying are well thought out, researched, and educated.
 
For the lurkers following this discussion, don’t worry about the OP’s comment about long-term career goals not aligning with the Army or West Point. That is just one perspective.

A military career, even just a few years, regardless of commissioning source, is a superb platform to launch into any number of life’s arenas. The skills gained in military services are invaluable, but are not for everyone or even for everyone long-term.

Life has a way of unfolding in unexpected ways. As that quote roughly goes, “Life is what happens when you’re making other plans.”

My DH went to USNA, became a pilot, was sure he would do the minimum years, get out and fly for the airlines. He stayed a full career, had 4 commands, then went on to a career in banking, and now raises and trains Appaloosas, and rides in show competitions.

I have friends who:

Started as surface warfare officer, is now a large animal vet. She went to vet school in her 40’s.
Started as Marine ground officer, worked as an “ABC agent,” now owns his own brew pub and is the brewmaster.
A SEAL who now has a landscape design business.
John McCain just wanted to fly - and look where his life took him.
Me - swore I was going to do my initial obligation and get out, go to school for MD-PhD and do research, stayed full Navy career and am now a corporate business leader, plan to have a 3rd career working at a veteran non-profit. Maybe the last career will be to give walking tours at USNA...

I would venture to say the posters on here who are wearing the uniform or who have worn it, have similar stories of how their lives unfolded in unexpected ways, regardless of what they thought they would be doing at age 17-18. It’s the same whether or not you ever wear the uniform - life unfolds in unexpected ways.

My point is - if you think you might want to do or be X one day, it’s entirely possible that you can do that after time as a military officer. You are not teetering at grave’s edge in your later twenties if you get out after initial obligation. You may even find yourself itself doing Z, as so many doors and opportunities will be open.

Finally, the SAs always take in more people than they know will graduate. Cadets and mids will attrite along the way for both voluntary and involuntary reasons. The OP accepted an appointment in good faith, and discovered it was not a good fit. The system wisely allows these folks to walk away the first two years. The SA took who they wanted with a range of target class size.
 
You don't even have to be in the military to end up doing something other than what you had initially planned. For instance, I wanted to be a ballerina. ;)

To the OP, though, if the military isn't for you, then better to find out sooner rather than later. I got a lot "counseling" from family, friends, professors, and other bystanders when I left Harvard Business School. Plenty of people told me that having that MBA in my back pocket couldn't hurt and would be a fine piece of paper to trot out during my working career. I have never regretted leaving and got to where I wanted to go faster than if I'd stayed. I know you're young but that doesn't mean you don't know when something absolutely is not right for you. There are many, many paths to happiness and success in life. Good luck to you.
 
Quit trying to make a decision by committee on SAF. Get off here and talk with your TAC about out processing. WP is not for everyone

Push Hard, Press Forward
 
Maybe the OP is gone, but I have been thinking about him or her--and wondering how the rest of the semester worked out and the holidays.

It’s funny that you posted that, as I thought about this thread last week. I saw a similar thread from a former USMA student who (years ago now) also withdrew and deeply regretted discarding a lifelong ambition. Oddly, that post has disappeared from what I can tell- perhaps it went sideways after I visited the forum- but it would have been another datapoint for the OP.
As my son enters his final semester, I could not be happier with what he has made of the opportunities afforded to him at West Point. He has an enviable future ahead of him.
 
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