Letters of Recommendation

ilovebrownbears

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Hi! I'm applying class for USNA '26 and I'm starting to request LOR's from teachers. I have a few main questions:

1. For the VP nom, how many letters should I have?
2. Is it acceptable to send a mix-match of the same 4 letters to various sources (meeting their various requirements)?
3. Should I wait until all nom sources publish their LOR guidelines? Is it possible any will be so specific that I'd have to request an entirely new letter from my teacher?

And if anyone has any general advice on what should be mentioned, can't get enough of that. Thank you so much!
 
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No LOR's are required for the Vice Presidential nom. For Presidential nom, it's service-connected, so you and your parents need to fill out a form and provide all necessary info. That's it. I also received the presidential nom (it's pretty easy to get one as long as you meet the requirements), but I got appointed via my senator's nom (to USMA). Here's the link, which is literally on the USNA website. It's a similar, if not identical, process to USMA's as well.
 
No LOR's are required for the Vice Presidential nom. For Presidential nom, it's service-connected, so you and your parents need to fill out a form and provide all necessary info. That's it. I also received the presidential nom (it's pretty easy to get one as long as you meet the requirements), but I got appointed via my senator's nom (to USMA). Here's the link, which is literally on the USNA website. It's a similar, if not identical, process to USMA's as well.
Really? The (VP) website says 'send LOR's to the academy'. Maybe they were referring to those included in the academy application.

I actually knew that about the presidential one, I remember being glad it seemed so easy- I think I forgot while typing it up. Thank you!
 
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Really? The (VP)website says 'send LOR's to the academy'. Maybe they were referring to those included in the academy application.

I actually knew that about the presidential one, I remember being glad it seemed so easy- I think I forgot while typing it up. Thank you!
 
I already have the link, but thank you. My question refers to just below the application on the site, where it states 'please send all letters of recommendation directly to the Military Academies'. Just wanted to specify the exact nature of these LORs if the VP nom doesn't require any.
 
I believe it is just talking about those that are put into the service academy application but I can't be sure as I didn't get the VP nom
 
My DS is waiting to hear from USNA (service connected nom). He has a TWE from USMA (senatorial nom and service connected nom). We are still kind of unsure of the reasons for TWE. Looking back I would make sure that all your LOR are tailor-made to exactly where they are going. Initially my son started applications at USMA, USNA, USAFA, USMMA, AROTC, Plan B schools, then applied for 2 sen noms, 1 MOC, 1 service connected and wonder if his LORs were trying to kill too many birds with one stone. The teachers wrote something like ."...and I highly recommend DS to attend your service academy." I wonder if they would have written something more specific to SA2 or SA3, that shows he aligns with their goals etc if that would have helped his applications more? Maybe they were just too generic? IDK. Good luck to you!
 
DD spoke with her teachers and others people that she was planning to request a LOR from during the spring to ensure they were willing to write a letter. She gathered their contact information and e-mailed them in the summer when she knew exactly what the requirements were and when the application portal opened for her to be a candidate to proceed in the application process. Many of the LORS had overlap between the application and nomination. They were basically the same LORs, just switching out the name of the service academy and/or tailoring it if it was for a nomination vs. an application. The teachers and other recommenders were more than happy to make the minor adjustments to make it more specific. The important part I believe is getting those LORs complete early and asking teachers over the summer before the return to school in the fall when all the seniors are asking for college recommendations. When she contacted them in the summer, she requested specifically how many LORs for which part of the application and gave them a date she was hoping to have it completed. Of course, for some teachers, it also required a follow-up e-mail, which adds time to the application process. In our area schools have not been in-person for a year, so definitely sending those e-mails early and giving the teacher a heads-up of your desires and intentions and then follow-up was key for her. When she requested LORs she also included a resume, which was also helpful to have complete by the time her portal and nominations opened. Getting those LORs checked off in the portal and gathering all the paperwork for nominations helped DD get her applications complete early in the cycle.
 
I already have the link, but thank you. My question refers to just below the application on the site, where it states 'please send all letters of recommendation directly to the Military Academies'. Just wanted to specify the exact nature of these LORs if the VP nom doesn't require any.
The LORs for VPOTUS will be the ones in your application. Given that it's an at-large nomination, admissions will probably be reserving these later.
 
I already have the link, but thank you. My question refers to just below the application on the site, where it states 'please send all letters of recommendation directly to the Military Academies'. Just wanted to specify the exact nature of these LORs if the VP nom doesn't require any.
My son specifically inquired if this exact question, asking USNA. And what it means, is that USNA (or other SA) will have whatever you sent them, as the VP piece. IOW, USNA will apply what they have to your VP request.

You do NOT send any additional LOR’s to USNA, for the VP nom. You fill out the VP nom info and hit ‘submit’. You won’t receive any prompt that it’s been submitted, either.

The VP nom application is a weird one. You can search tons of discussion about it. But, in a nutshell, you fill it out, hit submit, and then your SA has control over the rest, on behalf of the VP application process. It is very different from MOC nom processes. It’s extremely easy!

Sometimes your SA will notify you that they received the VP nom application, sometimes not. But neither of our sons received any confirmation In fact, they did it twice just to make sure it “took”. Seems easy to have a “thank you for applying” type response. But there isn’t anything at all. At least up until last cycle.
 
1. None
2. YES!
3. Yes, but print out past year's applications as they are typically very similar or identical, unless you hear whispers they are changing their entire packet or there is a new MOC/Senator who has a "TBD! New nomination packets coming soon!" message on their website.

Start by making a LOR master grid, I suggest a big white board!
Rows: Nom sources, SAs, ROTCs, and any civilian college/honors colleges/specific programs & scholarships that need LORs
Columns: big field for notes and misc. dates, then several columns for G, then E M Sci , then several field for additional LORS (such as JROTC/PE/Volunteer, coach, supervisors, etc)
Use a black pen to note what is needed, how, due date - Plan is ready!
Use a red pen to note when requested - Plan in motion!
Use a blue pen to note when it's UPLOADED to the portal - DONE!

My DD applied to 4 nom sources, 5 SAs, and 2 civilian colleges that did not require LORs.
Several fields for GC since they are required for the following: School profile, senior schedule, 6/7/final transcripts, verify activities records
My DD used GC, M, E, Sci (USMA Sci teacher), JROTC (USMA and something else), swim coach, and volunteer supervisor. From those 7, she mixed and matched, especially for nom since they required 2, 4, and 3+2 (5 total).

Your Goal: Go blue!
 
Keep in mind there are two types of LORs -- those for the SAs and those for the MOC noms. WRT SAs, I can only speak to USNA. They don't want LORs in the traditional sense. Rather, USNA sends an email link with a form they want the junior year teachers of math and English to complete. I suggest talking to your teachers now to let them know how important this is to you, etc.

Each MOC has his / her own requirements for LORs, including number permitted, who they want to complete them, etc. Whether these should be specific to a SA is a complex question. The easy answer is "yes," -- each should be personalized to a particular MOC and to a particular SA. That said, if you apply to the 4 SAs that require noms and request noms from 3 MOCs, and use the same recommenders, this quickly gets out of hand. Adding to the complexity is that some MOCs make you rank the SAs or even choose among them. Thus, if your choice is USNA (or it's first in your ranking), sending a letter about how you'd make a great Army officer will seem a bit odd.

Thus, each candidate needs to think through the process. What are the "mandatory" LORs (where you don't get to choose who completes the recommendation)? How many SAs are you applying to? How many recommenders will you use? Does the MOC require separate LORs for each SA to which you're applying (hopefully not)? How strongly do you want one SA over the other (where you might really want to personalize)? How much of a burden are you putting on individual recommenders -- how many different LORs is each being asked to write?

The most important thing in any LOR is specificity. Consider the following: "Mary is an exceptionally intelligent and motivated student who drives every project she touches to a successful conclusion." Sounds great, right? Not really. It's a bunch of nice words strung together.

The following makes it A LOT better: "For example, Mary took charge of the junior class prom project, which was foundering, only three weeks before the event. When she took over, there was no venue, no band, and no plan. Mary quickly found a unique venue -- a remodeled bus station -- at a bargain price and decided on a Caribbean theme. She put together a team of juniors and seniors and held daily meetings to make sure all deadlines were met and the project came in under budget. Under her leadership, they found a reggae band, arranged for catering from a local minority-owned business, and spend an entire day decorating the venue. I was one of the chaperones and can tell you that this was the most successful prom in the fifteen years I've been at Downtown High School. It was possible only due to Mary's strong leadership, drive and creative thinking."

Hopefully, your recommenders will know / remember enough about you to include specifics. If you're not sure, don't be afraid to provide them a "cheat sheet" of your accomplishments. Think of them in terms of the above . . . not just what positions you've held, but specific things you've done -- how you have led things, made them better, etc. Also, when you have a choice in recommenders, pick those who write well / effectively and meet deadlines.
 
DD spoke with her teachers and others people that she was planning to request a LOR from during the spring to ensure they were willing to write a letter. She gathered their contact information and e-mailed them in the summer when she knew exactly what the requirements were and when the application portal opened for her to be a candidate to proceed in the application process. Many of the LORS had overlap between the application and nomination. They were basically the same LORs, just switching out the name of the service academy and/or tailoring it if it was for a nomination vs. an application. The teachers and other recommenders were more than happy to make the minor adjustments to make it more specific. The important part I believe is getting those LORs complete early and asking teachers over the summer before the return to school in the fall when all the seniors are asking for college recommendations. When she contacted them in the summer, she requested specifically how many LORs for which part of the application and gave them a date she was hoping to have it completed. Of course, for some teachers, it also required a follow-up e-mail, which adds time to the application process. In our area schools have not been in-person for a year, so definitely sending those e-mails early and giving the teacher a heads-up of your desires and intentions and then follow-up was key for her. When she requested LORs she also included a resume, which was also helpful to have complete by the time her portal and nominations opened. Getting those LORs checked off in the portal and gathering all the paperwork for nominations helped DD get her applications complete early in the cycle.
This is very comprehensive and useful, thank you! I've let my teachers know at this point, since a few Nom sources have already published their regulations. I'm glad to hear it'll be sufficient to swap out SA names and nomination/application. I just remembered my math teacher doesn't have a resume of mine, so I should get started on that soon. Again, thank you!
 
My son specifically inquired if this exact question, asking USNA. And what it means, is that USNA (or other SA) will have whatever you sent them, as the VP piece. IOW, USNA will apply what they have to your VP request.

You do NOT send any additional LOR’s to USNA, for the VP nom. You fill out the VP nom info and hit ‘submit’. You won’t receive any prompt that it’s been submitted, either.

The VP nom application is a weird one. You can search tons of discussion about it. But, in a nutshell, you fill it out, hit submit, and then your SA has control over the rest, on behalf of the VP application process. It is very different from MOC nom processes. It’s extremely easy!

Sometimes your SA will notify you that they received the VP nom application, sometimes not. But neither of our sons received any confirmation In fact, they did it twice just to make sure it “took”. Seems easy to have a “thank you for applying” type response. But there isn’t anything at all. At least up until last cycle.
This is great to know, thank you. I'll be glad to avoid the confusion!
 
1. None
2. YES!
3. Yes, but print out past year's applications as they are typically very similar or identical, unless you hear whispers they are changing their entire packet or there is a new MOC/Senator who has a "TBD! New nomination packets coming soon!" message on their website.

Start by making a LOR master grid, I suggest a big white board!
Rows: Nom sources, SAs, ROTCs, and any civilian college/honors colleges/specific programs & scholarships that need LORs
Columns: big field for notes and misc. dates, then several columns for G, then E M Sci , then several field for additional LORS (such as JROTC/PE/Volunteer, coach, supervisors, etc)
Use a black pen to note what is needed, how, due date - Plan is ready!
Use a red pen to note when requested - Plan in motion!
Use a blue pen to note when it's UPLOADED to the portal - DONE!

My DD applied to 4 nom sources, 5 SAs, and 2 civilian colleges that did not require LORs.
Several fields for GC since they are required for the following: School profile, senior schedule, 6/7/final transcripts, verify activities records
My DD used GC, M, E, Sci (USMA Sci teacher), JROTC (USMA and something else), swim coach, and volunteer supervisor. From those 7, she mixed and matched, especially for nom since they required 2, 4, and 3+2 (5 total).

Your Goal: Go blue!
Haha yeah my mirror and computer have a murder-mystery network of sticky notes set up! Since I've had such limited contact with teachers this year I'm keeping it to a minimum- I think I'll be using M, E, USNA alum crew coach and guidance counselor. As of right now, that hits all the requirements. Thank you for the advice!
 
Keep in mind there are two types of LORs -- those for the SAs and those for the MOC noms. WRT SAs, I can only speak to USNA. They don't want LORs in the traditional sense. Rather, USNA sends an email link with a form they want the junior year teachers of math and English to complete. I suggest talking to your teachers now to let them know how important this is to you, etc.

Each MOC has his / her own requirements for LORs, including number permitted, who they want to complete them, etc. Whether these should be specific to a SA is a complex question. The easy answer is "yes," -- each should be personalized to a particular MOC and to a particular SA. That said, if you apply to the 4 SAs that require noms and request noms from 3 MOCs, and use the same recommenders, this quickly gets out of hand. Adding to the complexity is that some MOCs make you rank the SAs or even choose among them. Thus, if your choice is USNA (or it's first in your ranking), sending a letter about how you'd make a great Army officer will seem a bit odd.

Thus, each candidate needs to think through the process. What are the "mandatory" LORs (where you don't get to choose who completes the recommendation)? How many SAs are you applying to? How many recommenders will you use? Does the MOC require separate LORs for each SA to which you're applying (hopefully not)? How strongly do you want one SA over the other (where you might really want to personalize)? How much of a burden are you putting on individual recommenders -- how many different LORs is each being asked to write?

The most important thing in any LOR is specificity. Consider the following: "Mary is an exceptionally intelligent and motivated student who drives every project she touches to a successful conclusion." Sounds great, right? Not really. It's a bunch of nice words strung together.

The following makes it A LOT better: "For example, Mary took charge of the junior class prom project, which was foundering, only three weeks before the event. When she took over, there was no venue, no band, and no plan. Mary quickly found a unique venue -- a remodeled bus station -- at a bargain price and decided on a Caribbean theme. She put together a team of juniors and seniors and held daily meetings to make sure all deadlines were met and the project came in under budget. Under her leadership, they found a reggae band, arranged for catering from a local minority-owned business, and spend an entire day decorating the venue. I was one of the chaperones and can tell you that this was the most successful prom in the fifteen years I've been at Downtown High School. It was possible only due to Mary's strong leadership, drive and creative thinking."

Hopefully, your recommenders will know / remember enough about you to include specifics. If you're not sure, don't be afraid to provide them a "cheat sheet" of your accomplishments. Think of them in terms of the above . . . not just what positions you've held, but specific things you've done -- how you have led things, made them better, etc. Also, when you have a choice in recommenders, pick those who write well / effectively and meet deadlines.
This is excellent advice that I'll be sure to pass forward to my teachers. My original plan was to have the letters written about suitedness to the military in general- since leadership, maturity and integrity are similar themes. Would that be a bad idea?
 
This is excellent advice that I'll be sure to pass forward to my teachers. My original plan was to have the letters written about suitedness to the military in general- since leadership, maturity and integrity are similar themes. Would that be a bad idea?
With all due respect to your teachers, they most likely have no concept of whether someone is "suited for the military." Having them write "so and so is well suited to the military" could rub some military folks the wrong way. I would instead have teachers focus on what they do know -- the leadership maturity, integrity, etc. that you mention and that they have observed firsthand over the course of a year or more. Have them write about that -- with specific examples -- and leave it to the military accession programs (e.g., SA, ROTC) to decide on suitability.
 
Haha yeah my mirror and computer have a murder-mystery network of sticky notes set up! Since I've had such limited contact with teachers this year I'm keeping it to a minimum- I think I'll be using M, E, USNA alum crew coach and guidance counselor. As of right now, that hits all the requirements. Thank you for the advice!
Murder mystery network - LOVE IT!!! Excellent description! I may have to poach that!

Wonderful you are already thinking very organized. It will also help when updating each source - you can cite what's needed by SA/nom source, but also by each E M Crew GC what is still needed/now (email link, hardcopy letter, etc). The ONE thing I would advise that my DD did not do - if they are going to the effort of writing traditional letters of recommendation, ask for copies that say "your program" and "your scholarship" so you can use them later, when you find out about things last minute that need a LOR and you can quickly get permission to use the best of the best. Some teachers will seal letters and others may (spectacularly!) just give you an envelope with copies. This is excellent as you can pick and chose from them when you don't need all. My DD was able to see 3 of them and that helped with deciding which 2 to use out of 7 for her MOC.
 
+1 @HCopter re the large whiteboard. Our DS used a four-foot by four-foot board and a three-ring spiral notebook w/ dividers.

Each SA (he applied to 4) and NROTC, civilian schools, and nomination source had their own section of the binder. Each communication was noted w/ date, passwords, login info, dates test scores were sent, ordered, and received were noted. Dates he requested (input teacher's email into the portal for evaluation) were entered and each follow-up communication was listed. Communication with POC at each MOC office was listed and emails with read-receipts were sent to confirm applications had been received and were complete prior to closing dates.

Test CFA stats were recorded and as he trained and improved they were updated.

Having a resume as a living document that is continuously updated is key. It will make all applications including scholarships easier to complete, dates, and details ready at hand.

Years ago a good and wise friend suggested that my kids keep "yea, ME!" binders. From Freshmen year on, they kept each award, accomplishment, events attended, seminars, school events, volunteer hours, etc. Definitely made it easy to refer back to when completing applications.
 
With all due respect to your teachers, they most likely have no concept of whether someone is "suited for the military." Having them write "so and so is well suited to the military" could rub some military folks the wrong way. I would instead have teachers focus on what they do know -- the leadership maturity, integrity, etc. that you mention and that they have observed firsthand over the course of a year or more. Have them write about that -- with specific examples -- and leave it to the military accession programs (e.g., SA, ROTC) to decide on suitability.
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1. None
2. YES!
3. Yes, but print out past year's applications as they are typically very similar or identical, unless you hear whispers they are changing their entire packet or there is a new MOC/Senator who has a "TBD! New nomination packets coming soon!" message on their website.

Start by making a LOR master grid, I suggest a big white board!
Rows: Nom sources, SAs, ROTCs, and any civilian college/honors colleges/specific programs & scholarships that need LORs
Columns: big field for notes and misc. dates, then several columns for G, then E M Sci , then several field for additional LORS (such as JROTC/PE/Volunteer, coach, supervisors, etc)
Use a black pen to note what is needed, how, due date - Plan is ready!
Use a red pen to note when requested - Plan in motion!
Use a blue pen to note when it's UPLOADED to the portal - DONE!

My DD applied to 4 nom sources, 5 SAs, and 2 civilian colleges that did not require LORs.
Several fields for GC since they are required for the following: School profile, senior schedule, 6/7/final transcripts, verify activities records
My DD used GC, M, E, Sci (USMA Sci teacher), JROTC (USMA and something else), swim coach, and volunteer supervisor. From those 7, she mixed and matched, especially for nom since they required 2, 4, and 3+2 (5 total).

Your Goal: Go blue!
I have been hearing contrasting information regarding the LOR sources.

Do you know if West Point requires a LOR from a PE teacher or Athletic director? Or can it be from a school sports coach?
 
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