Mandatory Vaccination

A correction to my post.... 27 Oct 2022 for Moderna.

Also, I know this is a touchy subject that unfortunately is being politicized. I just hope that level heads will prevail one way or the other and if there is a vaccine requirement it is proven to be safe.
 
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It's not a touchy subject for me.

I got the vaccine, but I don't care if other people don't get it. That's up to them.
My son got the vaccine, even though he's 21 years old and probably doesn't really need it. Everyone in his Company got the vaccine, even the ones who already had contracted Covid-19. They all thought it was a good idea, but most appreciated that getting it was allowed to be their choice.
 
Not exactly their choice. They were initially told that, but their summer cruises etc required it.
 
100% their choice to decide whether to comply with the participatory requirements of the training they selected.
 
ECOSSE said:
I think the Military is setting a September timeline to “prepare” to provide vaccines to all service members. As for the approval of the vaccine… the FDA has not indicated when it will grant full approval.

The estimated earliest time is 27 Oct 2020 for Moderna and 31 Jan 2023 for Pfizer.

Some hurdles they are facing:
  • Johnson & Johnson vaccine now has to attach a warning label for Guillain-barre syndrome (GBS) - GBS is a neurological disorder in which the body's immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness or in severe cases, paralysis (Source FDA)
  • Pfizer and Moderna now have to attach a warning label for heart inflammation in children and young adults (source FDA)
    • There have been recent reports of hemorrhage, blood clots, and thrombocytopenia following administration of Covid-19 vaccines that have raised concerns over the safety of genetic vaccines for people with pre-existing coagulation disorders or those on certain medications (Source NIH)
    • Many children with no underlying conditions developing myocarditis and pericarditis after the Covid vaccine
  • Deaths after Covid vaccinations have sky-rocketed to over 9,000. (Source VAERS)
  • Moderna is launching studies of 1,000 women to determine if their vaccine is causing miscarriages.
I am not for or against the vaccine, but I am very concerned about the data. Just some food for thought.
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Some additional perspective. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
 
ECOSSE said:
I think the Military is setting a September timeline to “prepare” to provide vaccines to all service members. As for the approval of the vaccine… the FDA has not indicated when it will grant full approval.

The estimated earliest time is 27 Oct 2020 for Moderna and 31 Jan 2023 for Pfizer.

Some hurdles they are facing:
  • Johnson & Johnson vaccine now has to attach a warning label for Guillain-barre syndrome (GBS) - GBS is a neurological disorder in which the body's immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness or in severe cases, paralysis (Source FDA)
  • Pfizer and Moderna now have to attach a warning label for heart inflammation in children and young adults (source FDA)
    • There have been recent reports of hemorrhage, blood clots, and thrombocytopenia following administration of Covid-19 vaccines that have raised concerns over the safety of genetic vaccines for people with pre-existing coagulation disorders or those on certain medications (Source NIH)
    • Many children with no underlying conditions developing myocarditis and pericarditis after the Covid vaccine
  • Deaths after Covid vaccinations have sky-rocketed to over 9,000. (Source VAERS)
  • Moderna is launching studies of 1,000 women to determine if their vaccine is causing miscarriages.
I am not for or against the vaccine, but I am very concerned about the data. Just some food for thought.
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Guillain-Barre syndrome can also cause death. I had an uncle who died from that.
 
I do think it is absolutely outrageous that some institutions can require the vaxx without it being FDA approved. In line with what ECOSSE mentioned— hopefully level heads prevail one way or the other.
 
Cadet35 said:
I do think it is absolutely outrageous that some institutions can require the vaxx without it being FDA approved. In line with what ECOSSE mentioned— hopefully level heads prevail one way or the other.
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I agree. The world community was/is in a precarious position. I’m a big vaccine guy. Given tens of thousands and received hundreds. I’m also an individual freedom practitioner. The military is in a less tough spot than the health care industry. Health Care Organizations can and do require annual influenza shots. If Nurse Jane or Jim refuse the free offering from their fine company, they can seek employment elsewhere. Acme Hospital isn’t giving the free flu shot from the goodness of their heart though. It’s a liability issue. Imagine Phil Philanthropy, MD, PhD, MBA, CEO, named as the defendant in multiple lawsuits because his hospital is ground zero of an influenza outbreak. Same goes for the COVID vaccine.

The CNO or Army Chief of Staff can deny their people access to training, transfers, and liberty in Palma if they refuse the COVID vaccine. That’s a powerful motivator. The military has been using this type of incentive for two and a half centuries. In case you’ve been on Mars or in a coma in the past two years and five days and I know you haven’t, I’m a retired Navy Corpsman with a good amount of time aboard ship and with the Marines. There were certain ports that after leaving would have the sick call line full as soon as we secured from sea and anchor detail. They all had gonorrhea or wanted to get tested for it.

Those who caught it were or could have been put on Class Charlie liberty. Can’t leave the ship in the next port. How can that happen? How does the CO know who has an STD one might ask. What about HIPAA? Patient confidentiality? The crew’s health records belong to the captain. The Doc just maintains them. The CO can and I’ve seen happen at least once, walk into Sick Bay, open a drawer, and start thumbing through a health record. It belonged to him.

CO doesn’t have to do that. Come down and open drawers. Medical reports to the CO the health status of the crew daily. CO needs to know if the crew is down with a viral outbreak or suffering from food poisoning. Street meat. The CO needs to know everything that affects the fighting ability of the ship or unit. Be that the engineering plant, weapons, or the people who operate them. Anyway, thanks for listening.
 
Devil Doc said:
...The CO needs to know everything that affects the fighting ability of the ship or unit. Be that the engineering plant, weapons, or the people who operate them. Anyway, thanks for listening.
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Combat and mission readiness reign supreme. A Navy CO must ensure his/her command is capable and ready.
 
Capt MJ said:
The military is a utilitarian decision-maker in most cases - “the good of the many…”
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Of course, we won’t know exactly what the good of the many are for awhile.

Some countries are seeing that the vaccine isn’t working, and may not ultimately work in the long run for an extended period of time. Others see medical issues from the vaccine.

The latest:

An outbreak of Covid-19 has been confirmed on the Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth.

The BBC has been told there have been around 100 cases on the aircraft carrier, which is part way through a world tour.

Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected.
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said all crew on the deployment had received two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine and the outbreak was being managed.
 
NROTC forced every rising 1/C to get the vaccine in order to go on cruise, and not too many complaints from our battalion. It was made "optional" for other cruises, but we all know what "optional" really means...
 
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