Marine Aviation or Submarines

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Hey everyone, I need some advice on my service selection choice out of the Academy. I'm a math major trying to either service select submarines or marine aviation. Ideally after my time commitment is up, I’d go get an MBA and transition into tech. I don’t really have interest in doing airlines even though I think flying would be really cool. I think both communities fit me in their own ways and trying to weigh the trade-offs. I enjoy being outside, working out, and I love the marine culture. I think there isn’t much of a better way to spend my 20s than being a marine and flying. However, I also love the important mission of the submarines and the tight knit culture of submarines and would be willing to grind academically and suffer a little physically during my time on the boat. I love the idea of studying nuclear engineering while getting the opportunity to get a high quality education on the navy’s dime. Ultimately I want to serve in the best capacity I can, I just don’t know which option to choose they’re very different. I would love the high speed life aviation gives but I also see the appeal of submarine mission and on the outside job prospects too.



Looking ahead and not just the job itself, I see myself out at age 30 with a 100% free MBA with the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon, plus a more relaxed shore tour. It is a slightly faster way into corporate world, which isnt the end all be all to me, but the quality of life for those first five years worries me. I looked into the 5 and dive option, but because Academy payback blocks the GI Bill clock, leaving at 5.5 years leaves me with 60%, no Yellow Ribbon, and still a lot of debt to a top MBA program, correct me if I’m mistaken.



Aviation is an 11-year commitment due to flight school and TBS. Objectively, flying is a much better day-to-day lifestyle than sitting in a submarine. The catch is that I hit the corporate a few years later at around age 33. That worries me because ultimately I don’t see myself doing 20 and after my initial commitment I want to get into tech and get an MBA. I wouldn’t start working corporate until around 34-35 and I fear thats so late to start a career to make a great living. Aviation hasn’t always been a “dream” of mine (maybe it’s because of lack of exposure) but I feel like I would still love flying, theres just no like burning passion to do it. I do love the Marine culture though.



I don’t mean to sound selfish and like I’m trying to avoid service or look ahead before I’m even in, I just have goals after the military and I want to be able to pursue those without starting too late. If you were in my shoes, would you choose the lifestyle and fly, or take the faster exit? Appreciate any insights.
 
It looks like your friend signed their 2 for 7.

Back to you. Why do subs or aviation if your main goal is to get free education? Nothing wrong with that. I read here a few days ago that the majority of academy grads do their obligated time and get out. Nothing wrong with that.

Commission as a Marine officer and during MOS selection at TBS put all admin as your top five MOS choices. Logistics, supply, adjutant, manpower, and finance officer come to mind. Short MOS school with no extra obligation. Some of these officers probably won't deploy. Many will of course, especially the LOGO's. Nice cushy job in the base personnel office, IPAC they call it. Marines love their acronyms.
 
Hey everyone, I need some advice on my service selection choice out of the Academy. I'm a math major trying to either service select submarines or marine aviation. Ideally after my time commitment is up, I’d go get an MBA and transition into tech. I don’t really have interest in doing airlines even though I think flying would be really cool. I think both communities fit me in their own ways and trying to weigh the trade-offs. I enjoy being outside, working out, and I love the marine culture. I think there isn’t much of a better way to spend my 20s than being a marine and flying. However, I also love the important mission of the submarines and the tight knit culture of submarines and would be willing to grind academically and suffer a little physically during my time on the boat. I love the idea of studying nuclear engineering while getting the opportunity to get a high quality education on the navy’s dime. Ultimately I want to serve in the best capacity I can, I just don’t know which option to choose they’re very different. I would love the high speed life aviation gives but I also see the appeal of submarine mission and on the outside job prospects too.



Looking ahead and not just the job itself, I see myself out at age 30 with a 100% free MBA with the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon, plus a more relaxed shore tour. It is a slightly faster way into corporate world, which isnt the end all be all to me, but the quality of life for those first five years worries me. I looked into the 5 and dive option, but because Academy payback blocks the GI Bill clock, leaving at 5.5 years leaves me with 60%, no Yellow Ribbon, and still a lot of debt to a top MBA program, correct me if I’m mistaken.



Aviation is an 11-year commitment due to flight school and TBS. Objectively, flying is a much better day-to-day lifestyle than sitting in a submarine. The catch is that I hit the corporate a few years later at around age 33. That worries me because ultimately I don’t see myself doing 20 and after my initial commitment I want to get into tech and get an MBA. I wouldn’t start working corporate until around 34-35 and I fear thats so late to start a career to make a great living. Aviation hasn’t always been a “dream” of mine (maybe it’s because of lack of exposure) but I feel like I would still love flying, theres just no like burning passion to do it. I do love the Marine culture though.



I don’t mean to sound selfish and like I’m trying to avoid service or look ahead before I’m even in, I just have goals after the military and I want to be able to pursue those without starting too late. If you were in my shoes, would you choose the lifestyle and fly, or take the faster exit? Appreciate any insights.
My opinion, but if you already have one foot out the door before you even commission, the Marine Corps is likely to not be the place for you. If you already have sight alignment in view for separating...just do your 5 and dive and be done with it. Even if you only have the 60% benefit, it would be worth it just to get "out there" ASAP. The civilian world is still rolling out the red carpet for separating commissioned officers...don't see that changing anytime soon.

For the life of me, I can't seem to grasp why so many people go to a service academy only for the "free" education and benefits only to want to pivot to Corporate America at ADSO. Just seems like a giant pain in the ass for young people, that likely could attend an Ivy or other highly rated undergrad and be networking right away/cutting your teeth for really what you want to do. Even if you are paying full boat for undergrad and MBA, the opportunity cost for missing out on early networking, plus the income projections make college costs a very small factor.

Maybe this is the moral hazard associated with significantly enhanced benefits i.e. Post 9/11 GI Bill? Certainly cadets and midshipmen in the past were not inflating a life raft tied to the Montgomery GI Bill which was so terrible benefits wise, it almost had zero value.
 
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My son went in not knowing what he would do. He thought about all options at the Academy and as an officer.

I suspect he has decided that he isn’t grabbing the masters (Stanford or MIT) and running, and will stay for 20-24.

I also suspect he will pick up far better trophies than a masters along the way.

The opportunities are endless.

Make the decisions when you have to, not before.
 
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The OP seems to be pretty interested in Quality of Life issues and that's fine but as someone who did get an MBA while working in the Tech/Aerospace sector I will weigh in here. First of all, my corporation paid for school which I did at night. Before I started the school, while I was going to school and after I'd earned the degree, my workload/hours worked were huge. The job was stressful and hours were long including
part of Saturday almost every week. I won't try to make an apples and oranges comparison to life as a SWO but between Shore Duty and my later job, I'd say that I worked a TON more hours as a civilian. Eventually, I moved the family and went to a different company which ended up to have a similar level of effort required. A couple of moves later saw that level start to come down.
 
DS who is a Marine infantry officer via USNA has related to me that USMC is unlikely to accept you if you don’t have Marine Corps as your #1 and 2. The exception is if you are allowed to put EOD or SW #1 (very small exception.) That said …. will you be happy as a Marine if your aviation contracts falls through (I.e. medical disqualification or just don’t make it through the pipeline.) Forget about TBS ….. Marines are moving through the aviation pipeline faster than Navy currently. Not sure why but I have heard this from several Marines currently in the pipeline.

All the above said it does sound like you are very academically smart and want out most expeditiously. That is NOT done with an aviation contract Navy or USMC. SUBS would accomplish that but then of course you wouldn’t be a Marine!

I was Marine Airwing (46 Crewchief) a loooong time ago and loved it. Wouldn’t trade it for the world. If you want to be a Marine you know.

Embrace the Suck !
 
My opinion, but if you already have one foot out the door before you even commission, the Marine Corps is likely to not be the place for you. If you already have sight alignment in view for separating...just do your 5 and dive and be done with it. Even if you only have the 60% benefit, it would be worth it just to get "out there" ASAP. The civilian world is still rolling out the red carpet for separating commissioned officers...don't see that changing anytime soon.

For the life of me, I can't seem to grasp why so many people go to a service academy only for the "free" education and benefits only to want to pivot to Corporate America at ADSO. Just seems like a giant pain in the ass for young people, that likely could attend an Ivy or other highly rated undergrad and be networking right away/cutting your teeth for really what you want to do. Even if you are paying full boat for undergrad and MBA, the opportunity cost for missing out on early networking, plus the income projections make college costs a very small factor.

Maybe this is the moral hazard associated with significantly enhanced benefits i.e. Post 9/11 GI Bill? Certainly cadets and midshipmen in the past were not inflating a life raft tied to the Montgomery GI Bill which was so terrible benefits wise, it almost had zero value.
I wouldn't say I joined and am already looking to get out, or have one foot out the door already. I'm genuinely excited to serve, and I can't wait to commission. At the same time, I just don't see myself making the military my entire career.

What I struggle with is the idea that if you're not planning to stay for 20 plus years, then you somehow don't belong. I don't think that's a fair mindset. I'm just being realistic about what I want my future to look like, and for me, the military isn't the best fit long term.

Family is one of my biggest priorities. The thought of missing a large part of my future son or daughter's life, especially once they're older, isn't something I want for myself. That doesn't mean I'm any less committed to serving now. It just means I'm also thinking ahead and considering what I want my life to look like after my service. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
 
What I struggle with is the idea that if you're not planning to stay for 20 plus years, then you somehow don't belong. I don't think that's a fair mindset.

It’s not a mindset.

The law is the law. It’s your legal right to leave, they can’t have everyone stay longer.

The best mindset is an open mind. You don’t have all the information to make an informed decision, and your plans will change.
 
Submariners owe the 5 years, plus the time spent completing the training pipeline.
 
I wouldn't say I joined and am already looking to get out, or have one foot out the door already. I'm genuinely excited to serve, and I can't wait to commission. At the same time, I just don't see myself making the military my entire career.

What I struggle with is the idea that if you're not planning to stay for 20 plus years, then you somehow don't belong. I don't think that's a fair mindset. I'm just being realistic about what I want my future to look like, and for me, the military isn't the best fit long term.

Family is one of my biggest priorities. The thought of missing a large part of my future son or daughter's life, especially once they're older, isn't something I want for myself. That doesn't mean I'm any less committed to serving now. It just means I'm also thinking ahead and considering what I want my life to look like after my service. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with not making it a career. Time is valuable. FAMILY is #1 in my opinion! All part of the equation. Only you can make these decisions. You ask for opinions here on the interweb and you will for sure get them. The fact that you are debating USMC aviation or Subs is interesting. Why not Navy aviation? Not asking for an answer just a unique decision you are pondering 🤔

USMC make Marines nothing else. You ask a Marine what he does and he will tell you I am a Marine. Ask Navy, Army or Air Force what they do and you will likely get an MOS explanation.
 
Nothing wrong with not making it a career. Time is valuable. FAMILY is #1 in my opinion! All part of the equation. Only you can make these decisions. You ask for opinions here on the interweb and you will for sure get them. The fact that you are debating USMC aviation or Subs is interesting. Why not Navy aviation? Not asking for an answer just a unique decision you are pondering 🤔

USMC make Marines nothing else. You ask a Marine what he does and he will tell you I am a Marine. Ask Navy, Army or Air Force what they do and you will likely get an MOS explanation.
I did leatherneck, did well, and found that I loved the culture. I like the close air support mission of USMC and some advice a mentor gave me was look at the worst platform imaginable to you for both the Navy and Marines. If you'd be fine with flying it for a career, then you should do it. To me, there are no bad platforms in the Corps, I couldn't say the same about Navy IMO. Given I love the culture of the corps, it was a no brainer to throw USMC Air in the mix. I love the sub mission and while the people might not be exactly my type, I am someone who can fit in anywhere and be happy. I love doing electrical engineering, thermo, and general problem solving as well so theres where my interest for subs comes
 
I did leatherneck and loved the Marines. I like the close air support mission of USMC and some advice a mentor gave me was look at the worst platform imaginable to you for both the Navy and Marines. If you'd be fine with flying it for a career, then you should do it. To me, there are no bad platforms in the Corps and given I love the culture it was a no brainer to throw USMC Air in the mix. I love the sub mission and while the people might not be exactly my type, I am someone who can fit in anywhere and be happy.
If you’d be happy in a Sub underwater for extended periods of time my response is Get Some! Impressive and very important mission. But if you want to be part of the culture that is likely equal to a fraternity, The Marines will welcome you with open arms.

BTW close air support is the correct response. Just my two cents.
 
My dude spent his entire NROTC/Academy career focused on flying. Subs were his #5 choice. Math major. Passed his ASTB, had good recommendations, mid-pack OOM.

He got subs. Pilot and NFO are looked at together (his #1 and #2). They passed him over for some reason. His #3 was SWO Nuke. Guess what? Same group reviews SWO Nuke and Subs. A CAPT on the panel saw his name/background and remembered him as he had him in a seminar/class. He said, "I want him in Subs." So, he got selected for his #5 choice.

He was pissed, sad, highly disappointed. For about a week. Then, he embraced it. Got through his interviews, got the blessing from the ADM, and got his $30k signing bonus. Now, he'll be off to Charleston in August. He's looking forward to the challenge.

Point? You might want something, but the Academy will throw you a curve ball. Adapt and overcome. My dude will be in a field that is highly desired and really high potential for civilian growth. Unless he f--ks it up, he should be set for life. Whether he stays in or gets out after his service commitment.
 
I went USMC and called it at 5. I never intended that. Out of all my room mates I was the one everyone would have said, she will 20. Life had other plans. I really disliked my MOS.i loved leading Marines. I thrived on deployments. But I served in some tough years in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would never trade those experiences, but they took their toll as well. 25 funerals before 30. I had just finished 10 months in Iraq and my detailer said I was staying in the fleet and my unit said I was going back a few weeks later, I dropped my papers. I was not ready to go back. I was hoping for a B Billet to get some rest and see another aspect of the USMC and got told no after 4 years in the fleet.

Talk to lots of officers when you return in the fall. Reflect on it. The answer will come. You never know what life will throw at you after you graduate. You plan all you want, life will laugh at that and tell you something else. I do recommend for anyone to stay in long enough to get the GI Bill. It’s a great program. I did my education on active duty and then paid for by my company. I work in tech and love it. I really enjoy my civilian career. My days are more packed than being in garrison as a Marine. I get up earlier than I did in the Marine Corps to get a workout in and have some quiet before the day begins. It’s not all rainbows and butterflies on the other side. It’s a lot of hard work, time management, and sacrifice as well.
 
Hey everyone, I need some advice on my service selection choice out of the Academy. I'm a math major trying to either service select submarines or marine aviation. Ideally after my time commitment is up, I’d go get an MBA and transition into tech. I don’t really have interest in doing airlines even though I think flying would be really cool. I think both communities fit me in their own ways and trying to weigh the trade-offs. I enjoy being outside, working out, and I love the marine culture. I think there isn’t much of a better way to spend my 20s than being a marine and flying. However, I also love the important mission of the submarines and the tight knit culture of submarines and would be willing to grind academically and suffer a little physically during my time on the boat. I love the idea of studying nuclear engineering while getting the opportunity to get a high quality education on the navy’s dime. Ultimately I want to serve in the best capacity I can, I just don’t know which option to choose they’re very different. I would love the high speed life aviation gives but I also see the appeal of submarine mission and on the outside job prospects too.



Looking ahead and not just the job itself, I see myself out at age 30 with a 100% free MBA with the GI Bill and Yellow Ribbon, plus a more relaxed shore tour. It is a slightly faster way into corporate world, which isnt the end all be all to me, but the quality of life for those first five years worries me. I looked into the 5 and dive option, but because Academy payback blocks the GI Bill clock, leaving at 5.5 years leaves me with 60%, no Yellow Ribbon, and still a lot of debt to a top MBA program, correct me if I’m mistaken.



Aviation is an 11-year commitment due to flight school and TBS. Objectively, flying is a much better day-to-day lifestyle than sitting in a submarine. The catch is that I hit the corporate a few years later at around age 33. That worries me because ultimately I don’t see myself doing 20 and after my initial commitment I want to get into tech and get an MBA. I wouldn’t start working corporate until around 34-35 and I fear thats so late to start a career to make a great living. Aviation hasn’t always been a “dream” of mine (maybe it’s because of lack of exposure) but I feel like I would still love flying, theres just no like burning passion to do it. I do love the Marine culture though.



I don’t mean to sound selfish and like I’m trying to avoid service or look ahead before I’m even in, I just have goals after the military and I want to be able to pursue those without starting too late. If you were in my shoes, would you choose the lifestyle and fly, or take the faster exit? Appreciate any insights.
Always have an exit strategy. Even if you think you will be a lifer, always have an exit strategy. These are good things to be thinking through before your service selection. If you are already looking towards going corporate, I would skew towards Subs over USMC Air; nuke background gives you more options. I've had a few sub JOs working for me on their way out the door and they have all done well. I really wouldn't worry too much about transitioning at 30 vs 35; that still gives you plenty of runway. Don't forget to consider Reserves if you punch out after your initial commitment.
 
A nuke guy will be viewed in corporate as having strong engineering background (can do anything, really, but strong technical background is always a plus}. USMC Air is obviously more towards pilot/aviation, but also is a good background. You have a first world problem, dude.
 
A relative is a submariner. He is a workout nut, loves to hunt and fish, hikes and climbs for fun and bikes to work. He happens to be super smart and loves the technical aspects of subs.
 
You have to want to be a Marine above all else to go Marine Air and accept that if you don't get Marine Air or Marine Ground that the sub community might not take you if they are your 3rd choice.

With a few exceptions - almost every pilot I know in flight school said "I'm not really interested in the airlines" and now most of them are airline pilots. The money and quality of life ends up being way too attractive. The exceptions are all those that went into engineering or defense acquisitions/business development. Lots more to the airlines than just flying - and it's almost just a part time job so lots of folks have side gigs, pursue management, start businesses etc.

Flight school would be a'ffing miserable experience unless you truly had a passion for flight by the way.
 
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