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- Thread starter Pluto
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With your situation, I wouldnt recommend testing out of Calc 2. Dont see how it hurts to try, though.

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I now concur. I talked to my Calculus 1 teacher before I graduated, and he talked me through college math, not only what each course is, but what the focuses are and really went into depth about how to navigate math at the next level. Great talk.

His recommendation was to retake Calc 1 regardless of how well you do in highschool because every college/university has its own faculty and curriculum, and although it will generally be the same, if you want the best understanding of the material, it is in your best interest to a.) get the firmest grip on calculus basics as possible, and b.) learn the math your school teaches, because it is never the same as what CollegeBoard teaches.

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I got a 79.76 on the final part *eyeroll* What a cruel move to forbid calculators for high schoolers who can recite the Taylor formula but have to type in 3 * 6

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First, you'll still take more placement tests when you get to USAFA, they want to be sure you are in the right class.

Second, this is what I did and it was awesome, as long as you plan to pursue a STEM degree. There was an honors section of calc 3 that was all 4 degrees that I was in. Hopefully that is still how they do it. It wasn't an easy class, but it definitely wasn't the hardest one I took while at USAFA. Additionally because I validated that whole year of math, I was able to stuff both a math and a physics major into my 4 years at USAFA.

For reference, I got a 5 on the AP Calc BC test and felt well prepared going in, finding the additional validation tests we took in basic pretty easy, but I had never taken anything beyond what is covered in AP Calc BC (no multi-variable exposure at all). I enjoyed the class and still lean heavily on the concepts and skills I learned there. The small class size and peers that were really interested in learning the material made it easy to get help and really develop a good understanding.

That said, if you don't want to do a STEM degree and validate calc 1 and 2, you need to be sure to let your cadre know/talk to whoever is advising you on your academic schedule ASAP after you learn your placement so you don't take calc 3 when you don't need it (fuzzy majors don't).

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DD placed into calc 3 last Fall based on testing only. She did not submit AP scores. She did have good math teachers in HS.

They do administer additional tests during BCT. As of last Fall, her calc 3 class was indeed all 4 degs, but I don't know if it was an honors class like USAFA 10s had.

I did not advise her to ask to drop down to calc 2 because I think USAFA has been doing this for decades and can't be too far off with their placement methods. I also personally believe that if you choose to drop down into a math class with a completely different kind of math learner at a different level, sure it might be easy but you could also be frustrated. As it turns out, she had a great prof and was in a class with similar level math learners that could help each other, and was successful.

Trust the process, trust yourself.

One thing: They've changed the Calc curriculum pretty substantially from traditional Calc to make it more applicable to real life. This is confirmed based on what has been written on other posts and his experience. He described as more like Comp Sci than what he expected Calc to be like. He did fine. Says Calc II is pretty much just a continuation with a little more complexity.

I think there are plenty of math geniuses USAFA that can manage advanced math easily so it's really up to the individual. For those of you that don't fit into the math freak profile like my son, take heart, if you got in, you can do it. Oh, he also bombed the placement test.

One thing that I loved about SAs is the willingness of cadets to help and tutor their classmates. My son is a math, science, comp sci guy. He helps his classmates A LOT. He also has classmates that will proofread his Beh Sci and English papers for him. I had the same experience when during my time at USAFA as well. When include all of that with the accessability of the instructors and EI, they really are set up for success. It might not be easy, but you'll get through.

One thing: They've changed the Calc curriculum pretty substantially from traditional Calc to make it more applicable to real life. This is confirmed based on what has been written on other posts and his experience. He described as more like Comp Sci than what he expected Calc to be like. He did fine. Says Calc II is pretty much just a continuation with a little more complexity.

I think there are plenty of math geniuses USAFA that can manage advanced math easily so it's really up to the individual. For those of you that don't fit into the math freak profile like my son, take heart, if you got in, you can do it. Oh, he also bombed the placement test.

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My C2C started in Calc 3 doolie year . We were worried, it was fine. There are two thought processes; One that wants the easier class and grade and one that wants to take more degree courses / a minor and quicker to the advanced courses. My cadet had a lot more options sooner.Hmmm...I started in Calc 2 fall semster (after taking AP Calc BC) and it was a breeze. Ended up with an automatic math minor. I'd never recommend anyone testing out of Calc 2, though.

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I think you have a very good chance of placing out of Calculus 2. I don't think that there is any rush skipping ahead and the most important part is that you really understand the math but it sounds like you are ready to move on. Vector Calculus is usually a Calc 3 topic.

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It's good practice to take the AP. You take the placement no matter what. Probably a good idea to take the AP and get college credits just in case.

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HL math is crazy hard, just here to give you props