Mattis' Letter on civil unrest

When I was in the Navy we called them...
Wait, perhaps we have all been duped.
Perhaps there is a vast conspiracy to shame service members into keeping their hands out of their pockets, and at the same time cast some shade on the other services.
How could we have fallen for that for so long?
 
How quickly we degenerate into inter-service trash talking.

Salty Squids like pockets.

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Oh dear. I am just as guilty in contributing to this mad unravel in a serious thread. I apologize.

I have to say, this has been a civil exchange of differing views on the original topic.
 
A1Janitor said:
I respectfully disagree. The President, under the Insurrection Act, has the authority to move the military in. “ The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. ... §§ 331–335) that empowers the president of the United States to deploy military troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.”
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At.... the.... request of the states.

Oh and here's a fun thing to remember, the military isn't good at policing (they are pretty good at pulling young Coast Guard officers over on Navy bases while said Coast Guard officer is at a Navy school).

Trump doesn't get it. He thinks this shows power. It's desperation. It's tone-deaf desperation. It's painful to watch.
 
LineInTheSand said:
At.... the.... request of the states.

Oh and here's a fun thing to remember, the military isn't good at policing (they are pretty good at pulling young Coast Guard officers over on Navy bases while said Coast Guard officer is at a Navy school).

Trump doesn't get it. He thinks this shows power. It's desperation. It's tone-deaf desperation. It's painful to watch.
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For Code Section 251, which is an insurrection against a state, the state requests it.

I point you to Code Section 252 and 253, which is not “ At.... the.... request of the states.”

Trump does get it. Attorney General Barr has said Antifa, which is funded by outside forces, is attacking cities. This isn’t about the peaceful protesters. This isn’t desperation. It is another attack against our country. Soon we will know why.
 
And back onto the original topic...I think this is a "sticky" wicket. The act is there and yes, it says at the request of the states. However, and here's where my ConLaw background becomes the limiting factor, when does the federal government say "okay, the state is doing nothing to protect the people and, in the end, they are citizens of the USA and the government has the obligation to protect its citizens. So if the state won't do it, then the fed's will.

I just don't know all the legal canyons here.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
Standing out back of the Chow Hall when we used to do KP duty at Tech School. Officer "Get Your Hands Out Of Your Pockets" while driving in his nice warm car.
 
Hey MJ I think that statue is Merchant Marine a different breed.
 
AF6872 said:
Hey MJ I think that statue is Merchant Marine a different breed.
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I thought I pulled a pic of the Lone Sailor in front of the Navy Memorial plaza area.

Here’s another view from the Navy Memorial website. Same or different? I am cross-eyed.

Apologies to those trying to stay on topic.

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It is "The Lone Sailor" I stand corrected. I have come out of the Metro at that station and should have recognized it.
 
A1Janitor said:
For Code Section 251, which is an insurrection against a state, the state requests it.

I point you to Code Section 252 and 253, which is not “ At.... the.... request of the states.”

Trump does get it. Attorney General Barr has said Antifa, which is funded by outside forces, is attacking cities. This isn’t about the peaceful protesters. This isn’t desperation. It is another attack against our country. Soon we will know why.
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You're leaving out the "and" in 253.....

It would be quite the stretch, but not above the abuse of any other law a dictator finds in his way.

What he gets is this takes away from the COVID-19 death count chart, and he'll want to play this "us v. them." One of the reasons admirals and generals (not the guy who pretends to be in the military) have issues with this.
 
LineInTheSand said:
You're leaving out the "and" in 253.....

It would be quite the stretch, but not above the abuse of any other law a dictator finds in his way.

What he gets is this takes away from the COVID-19 death count chart, and he'll want to play this "us v. them." One of the reasons admirals and generals (not the guy who pretends to be in the military) have issues with this.
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For everyone’s benefit:

252

Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

253

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

I will leave your covid 19 comments alone other than to say the new information coming out is interesting. I do think calling the Commander in Chief a dictator is out of bounds on this site.
 
I didn't call Trump a dictator. I said a dictator wouldn't be afraid to abuse laws in his way. Do you disagree? Do you find dictators law-abiding?
 
A1Janitor said:
I do think calling the Commander in Chief a dictator is out of bounds on this site.
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LineInTheSand said:
I didn't call Trump a dictator. I said a dictator wouldn't be afraid to abuse laws in his way.
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This... stops...now.

It has been generally civil up to now which has allowed for an excellent series of discussions regarding policies.

Keep it focused on policies. No personal attacks and no disrespect AT elected officials and we can continue to have nice things.
 
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For those that claim that America has left its racist behaviors in the past, that no systemic, institutional and persistent racism exists in our current societal structure, just read the following pieces. They express the opinions of highly educated, very successful people of color. People who have risen to the top of their professions, who are presumably insulated from the daily struggles of the uneducated, poor, and (implicitly) criminal majority of the black population of this country. And yet these individuals do not believe that all is well.
Reading the expression of their perceptions of life in America will probably not change your closely held beliefs that we exist in a country where everyone is treated equally, that our bigotries have been buried. But maybe a seed will be planted, that may, at some distant point in the future, germinate and grow. Maybe those seeds will flower into actual empathy and an acceptance that how you perceive day to day life in America is not an absolute that exists for all Americans. That maybe, just maybe, the perceptions of people of color deserve to be given the same credence as those of whites.

http://www.bu.edu/law/2020/06/01/dean-angela-onwuachi-willig-commentary-the-fire-this-time/
https://odei.umich.edu/2020/05/29/i-am-so-tired/
https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/racelawprof/2020/06/after-minneapolis.html
https://onbeing.org/programs/claudi...-so-we-can-stay-in-this-car-together-jan2019/
https://www.apa.org/news/press/rele...emjHPXCyWJdk4UBuSrZvZN-d6ivB_bHTL_Hq4TZsnhcqg
 
The Antifa stories being spread mostly by the right wing media complex are proving to be unsubstantiated for the most part. Even the White House took down their social media posts about Antifa terror. Per the FBI and Homeland Security there is more concern with right wing and white supremacy groups. One group, Identity Evropa created a fake Twitter account posing as an Antifa group.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/white-house-conspiracy-facebook-twitter-antifa-bricks-violence-2020-6?amp
And this too: “Prosecutors said three men with military experience and ties to the far-right "boogaloo" movement, which aims at inciting a second American Civil War, plotted attacks against individuals protesting the death of George Floyd and coronavirus restrictions.”
https://www.salon.com/2020/06/04/gr...ZxzJG3reywUKzBmOnbDHH9r5yaoR58nXyTd7TNk5zNMig
 
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