Mid asks judge to block removal

He may very well be being made an example of, but he's a grown man. If he's not smart enough to stay away from social media, I am inclined to agree with the academy on this one (everything he is up against was self-inflicted). Just my 2 cents. I don't know the guy or anything about the case.

I ponder why a civilian judge is even looking at this. Isn't this MIDN subject to the UCMJ ?

Ah. Now I remember this one. He's the Firstie with two LEO parents who has raised $50K on a crowd-funding site to bring this lawsuit against the academy and Sean Buck. We'll see what happens.
 
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Reading some comments from the judge I feel she is going to side with the MIDN. She essential says his comments were misguided at the very least but the Academy encourages people to express their opinion and they seem to be taking an exception to this because his opinion isn’t the same as the Academy’s
 
I've got mixed feelings on this one... While generally a "law and order" type, I also have issues when people are in a position of authority abuse or misuse that authority. I read the initial Complaint (I think it was posted on SAF not that long ago),and there sufficient allegation to make me wonder if the Administration went to far and mishandled this one. Of course, that was the Plaintiff counsel presenting a one-sided view of the situation, and there are two sides to the story.

I didn't see everything this Midshipman posted, but didn't think that was identified in the lawsuit was overtly racist. We are living in a society now where if you are not 100% supportive of the popular narrative then you are racist. Critical thinking and acceptance of opposing view points has never been a strong point at USNA. Yes, there are times that you have to accept the orders of those above you, but critical thinking and the ability to articulate your beliefs is an important trait. (On the other hand, so is the ability to filter or refrain from saying everything you think ... I'm still working on that one !)
 
Eh, it sounds to me like someone at the top didn’t agree with his political views. I’m sure if he had made that air strike comment about the KKK instead of Antifa, no one would have batted an eye (and rightfully so). It will be interesting to see how this one ends up. He may have to take this to the Navy BCMR if the judge doesn’t side with him. Either way, he may want to seriously consider if he wants to be part of an organization that operates in this manner.
 
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Old Navy BGO said:
We are living in a society now where if you are not 100% supportive of the popular narrative then you are racist.
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If he’s fortunate enough to survive this, hopefully one of the lessons he learns (in addition to staying off Twitter) is how to be a good officer and future leader. i.e. Are you going to be the type of officer that punishes based on fact or the flavor of the week and/or your own political views?
 
Is this MID guilty of violating Article 117 of the UCMJ? Maybe, I don't like the "Drone Strike" comment, I personally think he stepped over the line. Should he be punished, I think so. Should he be disenrolled...I don't know, I can't see inside his head. Probably would need to hear some character testimonial from his peers. Its human to have internal struggles, you have your angel on one shoulder, the devil on the other. Hopefully you learn to always listen to the Angel, and the key word there is "learn".

But If you don't think this is purely political, then you're a Lying dog-faced pony soldier.

And So I don't get a 7 day ban for being overtly political for that last comment, I'd like to leave you with a palate cleanser. When the Academy Official said “lost my confidence in his ability to make sound decisions", this came to mind.
https://nation.time.com/2012/02/17/navy-pilot-who-shot-down-u-s-plane-makes-admiral/
 
Interesting article posted by @LurkingQuietly.

I don’t claim to know the best move here for USNA — it’s a very tough one. I wonder if an important difference is a momentary lapse of judgment amid adverse conditions within an otherwise immaculate record vs. a character flaw that’s symptomatic of larger issues that threaten to undermine one’s moral authority. I’m not positing that either is the situation for either of the cases cited — recently expelled mid or promoted friendly firer. But it is an intriguing distinction that has major ramifications either way, though exceedingly tough to parse and adjudicate. (All that said, I don’t doubt there’s a significant political angle to this. Everything happens in a context, and it’s the world we live in. Sigh.)
 
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Thanks for the article, @LurkingQuietly.

“Red and free on your contact,” the Saratoga told him.

Wow! Let me read that again...WOW!!!!

I have never heard of that incident. Glad to hear the zoomies got out okay. It's not like that Double Ugly had a chance against the Aluminum Cloud. ;)
 
LurkingQuietly said:
Is this MID guilty of violating Article 117 of the UCMJ? Maybe, I don't like the "Drone Strike" comment, I personally think he stepped over the line. Should he be punished, I think so. Should he be disenrolled...I don't know, I can't see inside his head. Probably would need to hear some character testimonial from his peers. Its human to have internal struggles, you have your angel on one shoulder, the devil on the other. Hopefully you learn to always listen to the Angel, and the key word there is "learn".

But If you don't think this is purely political, then you're a Lying dog-faced pony soldier.

And So I don't get a 7 day ban for being overtly political for that last comment, I'd like to leave you with a palate cleanser. When the Academy Official said “lost my confidence in his ability to make sound decisions", this came to mind.
https://nation.time.com/2012/02/17/navy-pilot-who-shot-down-u-s-plane-makes-admiral/
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You do realize that he did not get promoted, right?

He was denied and retired without a star.
 
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You do realize that he did not get promoted, right?
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His Promotion died in the Senate....NOT at the Pentagon. My point is he should have been shown the door, instead received promotion after promotion. My other point is there seems to be different rules depending on who you are, or who you know/related to. But I'm glad he got to retire.
 
Sorry for the ignorance, but could someone breakdown the sequence of actions from the moment the potential threat was identified and the time moment the trigger was pushed. And who are the actors involved, from the ship personnel to the aircraft?

I assume that there is a protocol that is to be followed. Was it followed?

Thanks in advance.
 
In the AF...when this happened...a young 1Lt almost shot down his boss in an F-15 when he launched a live AIM-9. It was only due to the superior strength of the Eagle that it absorbed that hit and was flown back for a safe landing.

www.upi.com

Fighter pilot grounded in missile incident - UPI Archives

An Air Force investigation revealed Thursday that low-ranking airmen loaded a live missile on a jet fighter without knowledge of their superiors and that...
www.upi.com www.upi.com

Would love to know "the rest of the story" as in what happened to the LT?

Steve
 
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Maybe, I don't like the "Drone Strike" comment, I personally think he stepped over the line
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How social media has changed the world, and made people over sensitive. If I had a nickel for every time that I made a comment about "nuking" something, or how the the" judicious use of high explosives can solve many of the worlds problems," I would have retired years ago. Heck, we even sang jodies about the use of napalm when marching through the yard. I can't imagine what would happen now.

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I have never heard of that incident. Glad to hear the zoomies got out okay.
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> I remember well. Was deployed and flying in P3's over the Med at the time.. We were keeping a good look out for F4's looking for payback!
 
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All that said, I don’t doubt there’s a significant political angle to this. Everything happens in a context, and it’s the world we live in. Sigh.
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That’s the problem. The “world we live in” is running this crazy show. One person gets offended and the PC train flies through every railroad crossing without touching the brakes.
 
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