Mid charged with sexual assault

NJDadofDSUSMA2024Hopeful said:
@txfwindian that’s certainly what I would have thought, but very curious what @LurkingQuietly DS meant.
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I don’t want to speak for @Quietlylurking , but I took away is two things:

It is a different world today than when he and I were splitting a couple of pitchers of beers with buddies or chasing girls. I was no choirboy nor were most of my running mates. The term “binge drinking” wasn’t even invented, because no one binge drank. We were mindful of a girl’s reputation, and our own. Now there is tinder where...well I won’t go there.

The other take away, which my just turned O-3 DS has confirmed through his own stories, the military isn’t much different than the rest of society. In someways it may even be more dysfunctional, which is more a result of “institutionalism” than of the quality of the troops and officers coming in.
 
NJDadofDSUSMA2024Hopeful said:
when your son says there are bad kids at the academies, did he mean, “like there are everywhere in society”? Or disproportionately more at the academies?
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I Probably worded that badly. The overwhelmingly majority of men and women he graduated with are stellar officers. The overwhelmingly majority of the men and women my enlisted son and daughter serve with, serve with distinction. I also have a daughter-in-law, and son-in-law that serve in the Coast Guard (and CG grandkids!) Semper Paratus!
 
cb7893 said:
It is a different world today than when he and I were splitting a couple of pitchers of beers with buddies or chasing girls. I was no choirboy nor were most of my running mates. The term “binge drinking” wasn’t even invented, because no one binge drank. We were mindful of a girl’s reputation, and our own. Now there is tinder where...well I won’t go there.
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Sorry, I can’t let this recall bias float on by without being noted.

Binge drinking absolutely has existed since the turn of time. Just because the term didn’t exist didn’t mean it didn’t happen. A report from the NIH notes that in the 1970’s alcohol was a factor in over 60% of traffic fatalities. (https://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/viewfactsheet.aspx?csid=24). Now imagine how many traffic fatalities there are per year and that reveals that certainly people were binge drinking AND getting behind the wheel. That means there were even more who drank and didn’t drive.

To the chasing girls comment: just because they weren’t reported doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

Let’s not pretend that one generation was more ethical or responsible than another.
 
Thank you, @kp2001.

When I was in high school and college, the term “date rape” and “binge drunking” hadn’t yet emerged. It most definitely happened, and among the “good kids” and not just a few incidents here and there. They weren’t reported. If they were, it was not taken seriously.

I had a beloved aunt, smart, funny, always the lady, who never married, my father’s eldest sister by several years. Mom told me, after Aunt M died, that in the 1920’s, she and her perfectly respectable beau went to a party at another family’s home with friends. “Something” happened, she walked 5 miles home in a downpour, had to go to a doctor the next day, didn’t speak for a year, and never spoke about that night to anyone. She never went out with another man. The family didn’t speak if it.

This is not to say there are not right-thinking and doing men and women in any era, who respect others and their own bodies. I’m just saying these things have gone on, perhaps unnamed, unreported, because social attitudes about them were different.

It wasn’t until 1984 the New York Times had a headline “New Laws Recognizing Marital Rape as Crime.” Before that, a perfectly respectable spouse could physically force his or her spouse to have sex, and it was not prosecuted. Let’s not even talk about the laws that allowed a husband to beat his wife, up until the 1920s, though prosecutions weren’t common until social outcry against domestic violence in the 1970s.

Bad stuff has been happening all along, but now it is openly named in most cultures. Good people have always been around too, “chasing girls” but staying inside the guard rails of respectful behavior, and I applaud them for that. I’m married to one.

I had several close calls early in my life with people I thought were nice. I was able to get out of those situations. One on one, there are some people who are not the face they present to the world.

We unraveled in an interesting direction here from the original report.
 
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Showed this article with DD who attended summer seminar. She shared that there were a few seminar attendees making jokes about the posted sexual assault awareness posters. She found the cavalier attitude of these potential candidates disturbing. It does not dissuade her from wanting to attend since she knows sexual assault can happen anywhere.
 
kp2001 said:
Binge drinking absolutely has existed since the turn of time. Just because the term didn’t exist didn’t mean it didn’t happen
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Not to make light of the subject, but had to laugh at the idea that binge drinking didn't exist back in the day. Of course it did, and it was widely accepted as being part of being in the Navy. I recall sitting through a week of NADSAP training during a dead weak during flight training. The poor facilitator was almost in tears when faced with a class of 25 fledgling aviators , almost all were USNA classmates, and we weren't taking her program seriously.
 
KeliaDracu said:
I feel like sexual assault is gettign normilized recently. I read about a few cases where rappers were annonced not guilty, which frustrates me.
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Have you listened to some of the music or read the lyrics? I cancelled my Peloton subscription after a black female trainer used some music that was absolutely degrading, misogynistic, and racist. I was dumbfounded that she not only listened to such music but thought it was ok for a workout with others.
 
Capt MJ said:
Yes, this has been brewing quietly over the last year. Sadly, there is nowhere on the application to check a box that someone does this. It seems the govt has a good case with creditable witness/victim statements. I am so sorry for those this happened to. I am glad they spoke up, were listened to, and action taken.

Over the years, our sponsor mids have reported drunk mids coming back to the Hall and going to their old rooms in confusion, even to the point of climbing back into their old beds. Mids usually solve these in their own ways. One of our mids related an upperclass had done this three Saturday nights in a row. The roommates escorted him into the shower in their room, fully clothed, and turned on the cold water. They then went and got his roommates to rescue him.

This, though, is full-on sexual assault. The man is a predator and a criminal, though I suppose I should wait for the court-martial results and presume innocence.

The victims have no doubt been getting counseling and support. I hope they have decided to fight through this and stay on. From something that happened to me in college, I still startle badly if someone comes up behind me and mentally I had no awareness of anyone there.

You would think a Service Academy would be immune to this, but like college campuses everywhere, there are bad apples who sailed through the Admissions process.
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Iirc recently happened to a 1C striper getting drunk and climbing into a plebe’s bed.
 
UHBlackhawk said:
Have you listened to some of the music or read the lyrics? I cancelled my Peloton subscription after a black female trainer used some music that was absolutely degrading, misogynistic, and racist. I was dumbfounded that she not only listened to such music but thought it was ok for a workout with others.
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When you listen to the current music and compare the cancellation of Baby It’s Cold Outside, you shake your head in disbelief.
 
Stealth_81 said:
The post that brought this thread back up from 2019 has been deleted due to an embedded spam link. Sorry for the confusion.

Stealth_81
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Do you want to delete my quote if it and A1Janitor’s quote of mine that references it?
 
I thought it a weird post, but didnt see a link? So didnt report. Its always interesting to me, the post they choose to latch onto. Why one from 2019? Why not a current thread?

Kudos to the great Spam Hunters;Mods. Y’all do a great job.
 
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